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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 17-01-2008 15:55
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Sry for that..here we go 
Edited by Guido Mukk on 17-01-2008 15:57
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 17-01-2008 15:57
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here's the kicker: if this is true, this goes Rasmussen -> Menchov -> Dekker?
Freire and Flecha I have no doubt are on the juice, the others I'll give them the benefit of the doubt for now. I'm not sure Dekker is "prepared" the same way as Rasmussen, Menchov and Dekker, his trainer (who never ever did anything else) was Cecchini (it's soooo unfair that UCI asked him to stop their collaboation  ), whereas the other ones are not known to have been prepared by Cecco. So, I'm not really surprised T.Dekker hasn't been found on that list.
Freire and Flecha both are or have been known to be Ferrari patients I think, so, indeed, they're probably on the juice.
Ardila has already been caught, T.Dekker does not require that much debate (sorry Ruben, just bash lazy French riders you'll feel better afterwards  ), Horillo was already caught too, and maybe some more Rabo or ex-Rabo riders ? |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 17-01-2008 16:00
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Aquarius wrote:
here's the kicker: if this is true, this goes Rasmussen -> Menchov -> Dekker?
Freire and Flecha I have no doubt are on the juice, the others I'll give them the benefit of the doubt for now. I'm not sure Dekker is "prepared" the same way as Rasmussen, Menchov and Dekker, his trainer (who never ever did anything else) was Cecchini (it's soooo unfair that UCI asked him to stop their collaboation ), whereas the other ones are not known to have been prepared by Cecco. So, I'm not really surprised T.Dekker hasn't been found on that list.
Freire and Flecha both are or have been known to be Ferrari patients I think, so, indeed, they're probably on the juice.
Ardila has already been caught, T.Dekker does not require that much debate (sorry Ruben, just bash lazy French riders you'll feel better afterwards ), Horillo was already caught too, and maybe some more Rabo or ex-Rabo riders ?
It's much simpler than going through all that: just look at the top of the structure.
Erik Breukink
Enough said, right?
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Sry for that..here we go
that site doesn't allow hotlinking so you won't be able to post the pick. But I understood what you mean. I've seen the movie too
Edited by issoisso on 17-01-2008 16:02
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 17-01-2008 16:06
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I remeber few weeks ago Ruben was mad here about WADA action against retired Boogerd...
Seems like doping is hot subject now..and also this year this is gonna be big discussion issue over this season.
i am a little pissed..about word wide press additude that cycling is one and only doping hole... |
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| Waghlon |
Posted on 17-01-2008 22:53
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Aw crap:
CyclingNews reports that the Tour of Utah [is] seeking a few good teams
Damn you Levi4life and your asserting stuff!
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| issoisso |
Posted on 17-01-2008 22:55
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Remember the lawyer who came up with the preposterous idea of arguing that doping controls are a violation of human rights?
Kashechkin fired him 
also, the accusations about the doping lab in Austria and Menchov & Co. have been dropped by the media.
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| ruben |
Posted on 18-01-2008 00:16
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Aquarius wrote:
here's the kicker: if this is true, this goes Rasmussen -> Menchov -> Dekker?
Freire and Flecha I have no doubt are on the juice, the others I'll give them the benefit of the doubt for now. I'm not sure Dekker is "prepared" the same way as Rasmussen, Menchov and Dekker, his trainer (who never ever did anything else) was Cecchini (it's soooo unfair that UCI asked him to stop their collaboation ), whereas the other ones are not known to have been prepared by Cecco. So, I'm not really surprised T.Dekker hasn't been found on that list.
Freire and Flecha both are or have been known to be Ferrari patients I think, so, indeed, they're probably on the juice.
Ardila has already been caught, T.Dekker does not require that much debate (sorry Ruben, just bash lazy French riders you'll feel better afterwards ), Horillo was already caught too, and maybe some more Rabo or ex-Rabo riders ? You are so prejudiced...even more then me
all non-french are doped and can't possible ride on talent alone.
Alow me to say: you are in no way 'better' then me with your so called 'expertise' on who is doped and not... For you every rider with good results is doped. And ofcourse L'Equipe and shitty riders as Da Cruz allways speak the truth...
yawn..
Go cry me a river. Dekker has never used dope, doesn't use dope, and will never use dope, so he won't ever get caught either.
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| ruben |
Posted on 18-01-2008 00:17
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And if Cecchini prepared so many riders, how come CONI and Italian police+justice never found any evidence at all. And explain why Cecchini won every trial against journalists who declared otherwise...
Gbye
edit: and finally, today ARD admitted their story was based on air alone...no facts, story = bullshit B)
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| Levi4life |
Posted on 18-01-2008 06:31
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 I have a feeling that Ruben will not be happy with your statement Setzzzzz.
I have no idea what to say about Rabobank but saying Menchov is doped just because he lives in Spain just seems stupid.
I don't think Dekker is doped or has ever doped simply because he has never failed a test. Until he fails a test i am fully comfortable in viewing him as a rider I admire.
As Ruben pointed out German Media has found another way to try and sully an already sullied sports reputation, which is by no means constructive especially if they make the bullshit up. In America we call that Libel and you can go to jail.
Cursing about Ruben's mother seems a bit hipocritical, especially when his points are valid. Just because he uses, shall we say, "colorfull fucking language," his message rings true: L'Equipe is full of shit and French Riders NEED dope
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| ceky |
Posted on 18-01-2008 09:32
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i'm in vienna, and i am pretty shure there is more about this doping lab coming....
sadly, it will be "cycling=dopers" again, no matter how many other sports are involved :cry:
"you cannot do a 3 week tour w/o dope" ... did anybody see the "tour de ski"? |
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| rodda |
Posted on 18-01-2008 09:57
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I don't think Dekker is doped or has ever doped simply because he has never failed a test. Until he fails a test i am fully comfortable in viewing him as a rider I admire.
i agree levi
and even though there is the old - if people think they are guilty then they generally are- dekker does not have the reputation of a bettini or a freire for now so leave him alone
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 18-01-2008 11:01
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For some reason, this has not been mentioned: Michael Rasmussen has looked through the charges from UCI, and it seems that he's only going to be charged for illegally to have give misinformation to UCI -- not doping issues. This means he can only get a punishment of 3 months (mininum) and 1 year (maximum). |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 18-01-2008 11:11
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By the way, all the talk about Menchov being doped has meant that some weird Dane has started a thread at a Danish forum, saying that "Sastre has won the Vuelta 4 years in row":
2007
1 Denis Menchov (Rus) Rabobank 80.59.07
2 Carlos Sastre (Spa) Team CSC 3.31
2006
1 Alexandre Vinokourov (Kaz) Astana Team 81.23.07
2 Alejandro Valverde (Spa) Caisse d'Epargne-Illes Balears 1.12
3 Andrey Kashechkin (Kaz) Astana Team 3.12
4 Carlos Sastre (Spa) Team CSC 3.35
2005
1 Denis Menchov (Rus) Rabobank
2 Carlos Sastre (Spa) Team CSC
2004
1 Roberto Heras (Spa) Liberty Seguros 77.42.46
2 Santiago Perez (Spa) Phonak Hearing Systems 0.30
3 Francisco Mancebo (Spa) Illes Balears-Banesto 2.13
4 Alejandro Valverde (Spa) Comunidad Valenciana-Kelme 3.30
5 Carlos Garcia Quesada (Spa) Comunidad Valenciana-Kelme 7.44
6 Carlos Sastre (Spa) Team CSC 8.11
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| J-R |
Posted on 18-01-2008 11:34
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Nope, Valverde was clean in 2006 B) |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 18-01-2008 11:41
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come on people, relax. Everyone has a right to an opinion and there is certainly circumstancial evidence against most of those guys. Especially Menchov. If you want to believe they're all clean, fine. no problem. if you want to believe they're all cheating, fine as well.
These are opinions, and everyone's entitled to one. Just because you don't like one doesn't mean you should insult someone...
CrueTrue wrote:
By the way, all the talk about Menchov being doped has meant that some weird Dane has started a thread at a Danish forum, saying that "Sastre has won the Vuelta 4 years in row":
2007
1 Denis Menchov (Rus) Rabobank 80.59.07
2 Carlos Sastre (Spa) Team CSC 3.31
2006
1 Alexandre Vinokourov (Kaz) Astana Team 81.23.07
2 Alejandro Valverde (Spa) Caisse d'Epargne-Illes Balears 1.12
3 Andrey Kashechkin (Kaz) Astana Team 3.12
4 Carlos Sastre (Spa) Team CSC 3.35
2005
1 Denis Menchov (Rus) Rabobank
2 Carlos Sastre (Spa) Team CSC
2004
1 Roberto Heras (Spa) Liberty Seguros 77.42.46
2 Santiago Perez (Spa) Phonak Hearing Systems 0.30
3 Francisco Mancebo (Spa) Illes Balears-Banesto 2.13
4 Alejandro Valverde (Spa) Comunidad Valenciana-Kelme 3.30
5 Carlos Garcia Quesada (Spa) Comunidad Valenciana-Kelme 7.44
6 Carlos Sastre (Spa) Team CSC 8.11
I'll start it if nobody else will: Sastre is doped!!!
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Nope, Valverde was clean in 2006 B)
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Posted on 18-01-2008 11:43
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CrueTrue wrote:
For some reason, this has not been mentioned: Michael Rasmussen has looked through the charges from UCI, and it seems that he's only going to be charged for illegally to have give misinformation to UCI -- not doping issues. This means he can only get a punishment of 3 months (mininum) and 1 year (maximum).
And I forgot to say: The punishment will count from the day he was taken out of the Tour, meaning that there'll probably be no punishment at all. |
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| samtheman |
Posted on 18-01-2008 12:27
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These are opinions, and everyone's entitled to one. Just because you don't like one doesn't mean you should insult someone...
how can chris sorensen be neo of the year if I might ask. What has he done that makes him equal or even better then Gesink (top 30 pro tour in his first year) or Cavendish (10+ wins) ??
This is how Ruben reacted when I voted for Chris Sörensen as neo of the year on PPDB
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| stuartmcstuart |
Posted on 18-01-2008 13:46
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CrueTrue wrote:
CrueTrue wrote:
For some reason, this has not been mentioned: Michael Rasmussen has looked through the charges from UCI, and it seems that he's only going to be charged for illegally to have give misinformation to UCI -- not doping issues. This means he can only get a punishment of 3 months (mininum) and 1 year (maximum).
And I forgot to say: The punishment will count from the day he was taken out of the Tour, meaning that there'll probably be no punishment at all.
What a great sporting world we live in, full of justice  |
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Posted on 18-01-2008 13:50
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Yep. Same with Di Luca .. yay, 3 months suspension -- in the off-season! That's harsh. |
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| ruben |
Posted on 18-01-2008 14:18
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samtheman wrote:
These are opinions, and everyone's entitled to one. Just because you don't like one doesn't mean you should insult someone...
how can chris sorensen be neo of the year if I might ask. What has he done that makes him equal or even better then Gesink (top 30 pro tour in his first year) or Cavendish (10+ wins) ??
This is how Ruben reacted when I voted for Chris Sörensen as neo of the year on PPDB Well the question was neo of the year, certainly, you have to look at their results?
I was 100% right in asking why? |
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