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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 09-05-2008 15:49
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Well done by Kovaleinen. I could really use some success now. McLaren has disappointed me lately  |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 09-05-2008 16:25
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CrueTrue wrote:
Well done by Kovaleinen. I could really use some success now. McLaren has disappointed me lately
They no longer have a good development driver to develop the car. Wurz is gone, Alonso is gone, Badoer is at Ferrari. Count on a long, hard, fruitless year.
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 09-05-2008 18:16
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issoisso wrote:
CrueTrue wrote:
Well done by Kovaleinen. I could really use some success now. McLaren has disappointed me lately
They no longer have a good development driver to develop the car. Wurz is gone, Alonso is gone, Badoer is at Ferrari. Count on a long, hard, fruitless year. Agree. Plus they had to pay that 100 Million dollars (unless that was euros ?) at the end of last season. I'm not sure how directly it impacted them, but surely that's money they won't be able to invest in R&D.
They're actually lucky they managed to win the first season race and to get some podiums lately, I'm expecting them to fade all season long, I wouldn't be that surprised that they'll end up being the 4th team at the end of the season (not necessarily in the constructors classification but on the last couple of GP). |
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| Karl_rab |
Posted on 09-05-2008 19:10
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Turkish GP free practice session two times
1. RAIKKONEN Ferrari 1m27.543s
2. HAMILTON McLaren 1m27.579s
3. MASSA Ferrari 1m27.682s
4. COULTHARD Red Bull 1m27.763s
5. KOVALAINEN McLaren 1m27.954s
6. KUBICA BMW 1m28.431s
7. TRULLI Toyota 1m28.619s
8. NAKAJIMA Williams 1m28.664s
9. ALONSO Renault 1m28.681s
10. HEIDFELD BMW 1m28.817s
11. BUTTON Honda 1m28.826s
12. GLOCK Toyota 1m28.849s
13. ROSBERG Williams 1m28.907s
14. FISICHELLA Force India 1m29.008s
15. BARRICHELLO Honda 1m29.024s
16. PIQUET Renault 1m29.212s
17. VETTEL Toro Rosso 1m29.462s
18. BOURDAIS Toro Rosso 1m29.630s
19. WEBBER Red Bull 1m29.633s
20. SUTIL Force India 1m30.832s
The qualifying has also changed. Only 5 riders will be eliminated in the first two sessions to counter balance the loss of super aguri.
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| Addy291 |
Posted on 09-05-2008 21:26
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Again another point for isso's "practice means nothing" arguement. Look at Coulthard
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 10-05-2008 11:22
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I'm looking forward to the qualifications this afternoon, but it seems BMW have made one step back, they're quite far in the classifications (especially Heidfeld) compared to previous GP.
Only McLaren seems to be able to challenge Ferrari this week-end, well that's to say maybe one of the Silver Arrows will beat one of the Ferrari, at best. |
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| Karl_rab |
Posted on 10-05-2008 21:47
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Addy291 wrote:
Again another point for isso's "practice means nothing" arguement. Look at Coulthard
Another point against isso's "practice means nothing" arguement.
First free practice
1. Felipe Massa (Brazil) Ferrari 1 min 27.323 secs
2. Heikki Kovalainen (Finland) McLaren 1:27.456
3. Lewis Hamilton (Britain) McLaren 1:27.752
Thats how it finished, so basically someone could have looked at the practice and said well thats how its going to end. Practice does mean something. Just sometimes riders take a while or adapt straight away. But eventually they all get used to the track and true results come through. If they didnt have practice we would have some races where sutil would be on pole. 
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| issoisso |
Posted on 11-05-2008 08:00
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Karl_rab wrote:
Another point against isso's "practice means nothing" arguement.
First free practice
1. Felipe Massa (Brazil) Ferrari 1 min 27.323 secs
2. Heikki Kovalainen (Finland) McLaren 1:27.456
3. Lewis Hamilton (Britain) McLaren 1:27.752
Thats how it finished, so basically someone could have looked at the practice and said well thats how its going to end.
For once in god knows how many years it actually ended like that. hurray 
Karl_rab wrote:
Practice does mean something. Just sometimes riders take a while or adapt straight away. But eventually they all get used to the track and true results come through. If they didnt have practice we would have some races where sutil would be on pole.
By that logic, the results of the second session would have been much closer to qualifying and the third session would've been almost an exact replica of qualifying.
So, by your logic, Webber is on pole, Alonso is right next to him and Coulthard and Rosberg share the second row, while Raikkonen is down in eleventh and Hamilton in seventh.
Except none of that happened. Because that argument is completely off.
Practice is about setting up your car for qualifying and more importantly, for the race. If you get one of the fastest times, the only thing that means is that you were running low fuel and soft tires in an attempt to wow the sponsors.
Drivers and Engineers are looking for a good balance of the car and to make the tires last for as long as possible while still maintaining a competitive pace.
Fast lap times are the last thing on their minds.
If you go for fast lap times, that's wasted practice time, and given how valuable the time is, it's pretty much a sure bet you're screwed for the race if you've resorted to that.
So, for the last time: say all you want that lap times in practice matter.....because it won't change the fact that they don't.
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| Addy291 |
Posted on 11-05-2008 11:40
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I'm glad Heikki is in the mix and finally Ferrari aren't totally dominating, although I think Massa is a very good shout for the win. Hopefully Lewis can gain a couple of points on Raikkonen as well.
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| Karl_rab |
Posted on 11-05-2008 11:54
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issoisso wrote:
Practice is about setting up your car for qualifying and more importantly, for the race. If you get one of the fastest times, the only thing that means is that you were running low fuel and soft tires in an attempt to wow the sponsors.
Thats what im saying, practice is important, because if they didnt have it we would get surprise results. The drivers need to set up there cars, and if they didnt people like coulthard might get on the front row. The times are an indication of how they are doing, but eventually they all correct themselves as the riders and cars reach their potential. It does mean something otherwise they wouldnt have it in. It costs money and spare parts that some teams dont have. Just look at pre season practice. Super aguri didnt have any practice and look what happened to them. They were setting some of the lowest lap times ive ever seen. Although it doesnt affect the race too much, practice is important for qualifying as it gives the team a chance to feel the race track and improve the car for the individual circuit. Without it we would have a 1 and 2 of alonso and coulthard sometimes.
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| issoisso |
Posted on 11-05-2008 12:07
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So you're saying lap times in practice mean nothing because teams are busy doing something else.....Which is exactly what I've been saying all along!!!!!!!
Are you high or something?
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| Addy291 |
Posted on 11-05-2008 12:32
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Earlier today in the GP2 race, 2 dogs escaped onto the track. 1 of them got away safely but the other was hit by Bruno Senna.
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| Addy291 |
Posted on 11-05-2008 13:06
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Great starts for Hamilton and Kubica. Horrible start for Kovalainen, and Raikkonen was unlucky to get boxed out.
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| Karl_rab |
Posted on 11-05-2008 13:47
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issoisso wrote:
So you're saying lap times in practice mean nothing because teams are busy doing something else.....Which is exactly what I've been saying all along!!!!!!!
Are you high or something?
Im not saying they dont mean anything which is what you have been saying. Maybe it is you that is high!
I say they do mean something. But are only an indication. They are there for a reason, to feel the track and see how fast your pace is. Thus an indication if you have your car set-up correct or if it needs to be tweaked. Believe me if it didnt mean anythin then they would save a LOT of money.
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| issoisso |
Posted on 11-05-2008 13:51
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Karl_rab wrote:
I say they do mean something. But are only an indication. They are there for a reason, to feel the track and see how fast your pace is. Thus an indication if you have your car set-up correct or if it needs to be tweaked. Believe me if it didnt mean anythin then they would save a LOT of money.
When did I say they didn't mean anything? They mean a lot for the teams, it's the lap times that can be discarded easily.
I'm done with this, if you can't read what I write, there's no point
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| Addy291 |
Posted on 11-05-2008 14:05
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It looks as though Massa will win this one. Hamilton's 3-stop strategy is rubbish. I can't remember the last time a 3-stopper worked, so why try it at all That being said he has driven a good race so far. The overtake on Massa was sublime and his pit-crew were fantastic, it's just the 3-stopper that's given him no chance in my opinion.
Raikkonen hasn't really done anything all race and yet he's in 2nd? That's very good driving. It's like Chelsea in football. They may not be doing anything special but they grind out results, and that's what he's doing now.
EDIT: and Hamilton's final pit-stop is another example of how well his pit-crew have performed today, they've been so quick and slick. Great job to get ahead of Raikkonen.
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 12-05-2008 15:01
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I didn't get to watch the race, but the commentators said after the race that it was very exciting. Is it worth watching even though I know the result? |
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| Addy291 |
Posted on 12-05-2008 15:59
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I thought it was very exciting too, I'd watch it
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| issoisso |
Posted on 12-05-2008 19:03
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The decision taken to go for a three-stop race was made on Saturday when Bridgestone expressed concern over the excessive heat build-up on Lewis's front tyres. Hamilton works his tyres harder than team-mate Heikki Kovalainen, hence the enforced decision to run him lighter on fuel and the cause for Lewis to be disappointed on Saturday afternoon when, in a lighter car, he had failed to take the pole position that he really needed to make the strategy work.
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| Addy291 |
Posted on 12-05-2008 21:26
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Yeah, Lewis said in the post-race interview that Bridgestone actually forced them to do a 3-stop (yes he said "force". Still for a 3-stopper it went fairly well.
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