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| ppanther |
Posted on 22-04-2013 19:50
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Jesleyh wrote:
So that Frijns guy. Is he that good? I know that he's an asshole(Vettel is one as well, so that can't stop Frijns), but can he really get to F1 in a few years, and do well(at least better than V/d Garde?  )
I'm not really into F1 talents, honestly...
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Posted on 22-04-2013 19:51
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TheManxMissile wrote:
di Resta >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ricciardo
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| fcancellara |
Posted on 22-04-2013 20:09
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The Toro Rosso is just total crap ever since the 2009 season. Ricciardo is doing a better job than Vergne.
I can't see why you guys think Ricciardo is that bad, please explain? 
Di Resta is just having an amazing car at the moment.
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 22-04-2013 20:09
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fcancellara wrote:
Red Bull currently has:
 Sébastien Buemi
 Daniel Ricciardo
 Jean-Eric Vergne
 Antonio Félix da Costa
 Carlos Sainz jr.
 Callan O'Keeffe
 Daniil Kvyat
 Tom Blomqvist
 Beitske Visser ( she just joined the Red Bull Junior Program two weeks ago)
Also Frijns tested for them but he f*cked up his chances with the team.
I think for the 2014 only the first three of the list would be ready to take Webber's seat, and then Da Costa could go to Toro Rosso.
I think you're missing Neel Jani on the list, at least until last year he drove former year RBR cars for exhibits.
He was outstanding in A1GP, now he's strong in endurance, but I don't think he could be a candidate for a RBR seat whatsoever. Most likely he'll be staying at Rebellion racing or heading to Porsche in WEC. |
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Posted on 22-04-2013 20:17
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Aquarius wrote:
fcancellara wrote:
Red Bull currently has:
Sébastien Buemi
Daniel Ricciardo
Jean-Eric Vergne
Antonio Félix da Costa
Carlos Sainz jr.
Callan O'Keeffe
Daniil Kvyat
Tom Blomqvist
Beitske Visser ( she just joined the Red Bull Junior Program two weeks ago)
Also Frijns tested for them but he f*cked up his chances with the team.
I think for the 2014 only the first three of the list would be ready to take Webber's seat, and then Da Costa could go to Toro Rosso.
I think you're missing Neel Jani on the list, at least until last year he drove former year RBR cars for exhibits.
He was outstanding in A1GP, now he's strong in endurance, but I don't think he could be a candidate for a RBR seat whatsoever. Most likely he'll be staying at Rebellion racing or heading to Porsche in WEC.
He's getting too old.
Also, he never really proved himself as a good open-wheel driver outside of A1GP.
Talking about A1GP, what became of Nicolas Lapierre?
He was extraordinarily good in the first season (together with Premat).
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| ppanther |
Posted on 22-04-2013 20:20
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fcancellara wrote:
Talking about A1GP, what became of Nicolas Lapierre?
He was extraordinarily good in the first season (together with Premat).
Driving a potential Le Mans winner car together with Alexander Wurz. |
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| tovhol |
Posted on 22-04-2013 20:25
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fcancellara wrote:
The Toro Rosso is just total crap ever since the 2009 season. Ricciardo is doing a better job than Vergne.
I can't see why you guys think Ricciardo is that bad, please explain?
Di Resta is just having an amazing car at the moment.
I actually think Ricciardo is doing well 
Better than Vergne!
And Di Resta is just amazing for the time.
I hope Räikkönen will win the world championships this year.
Edited by tovhol on 22-04-2013 20:26
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| arthon |
Posted on 22-04-2013 20:25
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ppanther wrote:
fcancellara wrote:
Talking about A1GP, what became of Nicolas Lapierre?
He was extraordinarily good in the first season (together with Premat).
Driving a potential Le Mans winner car together with Alexander Wurz.
After some weak seasons with Oreca. But at least he won Sebring with Panis & Duval. |
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 22-04-2013 20:49
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tovhol wrote:
fcancellara wrote:
The Toro Rosso is just total crap ever since the 2009 season. Ricciardo is doing a better job than Vergne.
I can't see why you guys think Ricciardo is that bad, please explain?
Di Resta is just having an amazing car at the moment.
I actually think Ricciardo is doing well
Better than Vergne!
And Di Resta is just amazing for the time.
The Torro Rosso is basically the RBR car, minus the latest few updates. They can't buy the chassis out right, but it's the same fundamental design. And powered by Ferrari of course.
2010 it was a decent mid-field car (mid-field being Torro Rosse, Force India, Williams, Sauber)
2011 it was again decent, being ahead of the FI and WI most of the time
2012 they slipped backwards once the blown diffuser was banned
Vergne has not been good at any point in F1. Ricciardo has only had one stand out performance to me, and that was Australia 2012. He is fast yes, but no faster than anyone should be in F1.
Di Resta currently has a great car right now yes, but Paul has always been quick and regularly collects points. More than Vergne or Ricciardo over a comparable time.
Ricciardo scored 10pts last season, Vergne 16pts. Paul scored 46 in 2012 and 27 in 2011 (when the car was not that much better than the TR)
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Posted on 22-04-2013 20:53
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Resta is the most promising from young pilots.  |
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| fcancellara |
Posted on 22-04-2013 20:56
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Dr0ga7a wrote:
Resta is the most promising from young pilots.
Bottas, Hulkenberg and Bianchi are more promising in my opinion, their cars are just rubbish though, so they can't really prove it.
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| ppanther |
Posted on 22-04-2013 21:08
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fcancellara wrote:
Dr0ga7a wrote:
Resta is the most promising from young pilots.
Bottas, Hulkenberg and Bianchi are more promising in my opinion, their cars are just rubbish though, so they can't really prove it.
That's relative, Vettel is as old as Hulkenberg and younger than diResta. So from that view Vettel is the most promising young driver. |
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 22-04-2013 21:10
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fcancellara wrote:
Dr0ga7a wrote:
Resta is the most promising from young pilots.
Bottas, Hulkenberg and Bianchi are more promising in my opinion, their cars are just rubbish though, so they can't really prove it.
Neither Di Resta nor Hulkenberg can be considered Young Talents
Di Resta is 27 and is in his 3rd full season.
Hulkenberg is 25 and is in his 3rd full season.
Both are now well established drivers, and both are very talented. Hulkenberg even took a Pole back in 2010, and by a huge margin!
Bottas and Bianchi are very talented, and everyone knows this. Bottas has been lumped with a terrible car though...
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| ppanther |
Posted on 22-04-2013 21:15
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Bottas and Bianchi are great so far, but really have shit cars. Di Resta could well be a solid driver, who is able to win a race from time to time, being in a good team. (like Webber or Massa) Hulkenberg is really talented, i think. He showed his abilities with not that strong cars. PolePosition with Williams 2010 and leading, even capable of winning, a race in ForceIndia 2012 are outstanding performances not much drivers would be able to accomplish. |
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| fcancellara |
Posted on 22-04-2013 21:28
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I don't believe Hulkenberg has reached his peak yet, that's the point.
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 22-04-2013 22:02
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arthon wrote:
ppanther wrote:
fcancellara wrote:
Talking about A1GP, what became of Nicolas Lapierre?
He was extraordinarily good in the first season (together with Premat).
Driving a potential Le Mans winner car together with Alexander Wurz.
After some weak seasons with Oreca. But at least he won Sebring with Panis & Duval.
He couldn't achieve much more at Oreca, first he had Panis as a co-driver, alongside Duval, so whilst him and Duval were very good (Duval outshined him though), they lost ground every time Panis touched the wheel.
With Toyota he stands a real chance of winning Le Mans this year, but it might be 2013 or never for Toyota, since the word is that Honda and Toyota would be back in F1 next year.
Plus it might be another failure this year, Audi and their exhaust blowing in the diffuser have gotten an edge on normal circuits it seems. And given diesel are more favoured in Le Mans that on normal circuits, you can do the maths... |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 22-04-2013 22:10
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Jesleyh wrote:
So that Frijns guy. Is he that good? I know that he's an asshole(Vettel is one as well, so that can't stop Frijns), but can he really get to F1 in a few years, and do well(at least better than V/d Garde? )
I'm not really into F1 talents, honestly...
Yes, he's very good. Way better than v.d.Garde who's only in F1 due to smashin (in fact doubling) the previous record for how much a pay driver paid for a drive.
TheManxMissile wrote:
fcancellara wrote:
He's a lot better than vd Garde.
I think you could compare Frijns to Ricciardo/di Resta, but he has potential to become as good as Rosberg/Hamilton.
Ricciardo = di Resta??? Are you insane!!
di Resta >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ricciardo
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fcancellara wrote:
Talking about A1GP, what became of Nicolas Lapierre?
He was extraordinarily good in the first season (together with Premat).
He was one of the main favorites for his first GP2 season way back in 2005. He disappointed quite a bit. To give you an idea of the level of disappointment, he was nowhere while his teammate Kovalainen almost won the title
TheManxMissile wrote:
Bottas and Bianchi are very talented, and everyone knows this. Bottas has been lumped with a terrible car though...
Sorta. Bianchi looked like a superstar, but in GP2 he was disappointing (race winner, 3rd in the championship...disappointing. Gives an insight into the level of talent expected of him, no? ). Let's see what he does when Chilton gets more experience. If he can't roundly thrash Chilton the entire way through the season he'll be in trouble
Bottas is a bit of a puzzle. He's worked with Williams for years and they rate him very highly, which puzzles most people in the paddock as he really didn't have the results to justify praise that high in junior formulae. How good he is exactly is a big question mark, but so far he's doing quite well.
Aquarius wrote:
He couldn't achieve much more at Oreca, first he had Panis as a co-driver, alongside Duval, so whilst him and Duval were very good (Duval outshined him though), they lost ground every time Panis touched the wheel.
That's not really a knock on Lapierre though, Panis had the talent to be world champion in F1 if he had ever gotten the car for it.
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 22-04-2013 22:16
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Right about Panis, especially if he hadn't hit that wall in Montreal, who knows what'd have happened to him and to Prost GP.
But that was more than a decade ago, and he's been getting worst and worst in sports prototypes, driving much slower than people worth of a factory seat. Arguably, a 20 kg overweight didn't help either.
He seems to be coping with GT betters these days. |
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| ppanther |
Posted on 22-04-2013 22:19
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issoisso wrote:
Way better than v.d.Garde who's only in F1 due to smashin (in fact doubling) the previous record for how much a pay driver paid for a drive.
It seems v.d.Garde gets too less credit for his achievments in the past, because of his status as pay-driver. He isn't that bad. Surely not a future winner, in fact i am thinking he won't get a better team either, but he is solid.
Ok, this post is quite confusing, but i think you will get my point.
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Posted on 22-04-2013 22:33
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He's not good enough for F1. I could name 20 drivers the same age that have proven at the same level to have more talent, and that's just in his age group
Heck, without money Pic wouldn't get an F1 seat and even he's miles ahead of v.d.Garde...literally, by the end of every race.
The fact of the matter is that vdG had several years in F3, GP2, etc with the best teams and he's produced nothing. Meanwhile the reigning GP2 champion is stuck being a reserve driver because he has no money
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