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Has there ever been a cyclist bust?
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| roturn |
Posted on 27-09-2012 16:25
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But I was in Germany when the 2012 tour schedule was presentated. In nearly every paper I read, there was something like:
Tour for Martin, TdF fits Martin perfectly, Martin for the win, etc...
That`s because the German media sucks. 
He is a good stage racer when it comes to less hard courses (flat and/or hilly) like Paris Nice, Romandie, Pais Vasco, Eneco. Then he is always one of the top favourites.
But in GT`s the German media always is looking for a German to repeat Ullrich`s success. And as most media doesn`t know anything about cycling, they always think, he wins many races and so he must be good enough for the Tour. And a Tour with a long ITT...wow...who else but Martin should win.
So ignore the media there.
He will never win a GT but surely he will be successful in other stage races. |
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| alexanderlens |
Posted on 27-09-2012 16:27
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roturn wrote:
But I was in Germany when the 2012 tour schedule was presentated. In nearly every paper I read, there was something like:
Tour for Martin, TdF fits Martin perfectly, Martin for the win, etc...
That`s because the German media sucks.
He is a good stage racer when it comes to less hard courses (flat and/or hilly) like Paris Nice, Romandie, Pais Vasco, Eneco. Then he is always one of the top favourites.
But in GT`s the German media always is looking for a German to repeat Ullrich`s success. And as most media doesn`t know anything about cycling, they always think, he wins many races and so he must be good enough for the Tour. And a Tour with a long ITT...wow...who else but Martin should win.
So ignore the media there.
He will never win a GT but surely he will be successful in other stage races. I will keep this in mind when I go to Germany again.
Guess who's back? 
Lets see how many friens are still around... |
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| roturn |
Posted on 27-09-2012 16:30
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I actually doubt it`s just Germany in especially when it comes to smaller sports.
Edited by roturn on 27-09-2012 16:30
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| issoisso |
Posted on 27-09-2012 16:54
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ppanther wrote:
Just to add one of the biggest mysteries in cycling in my opinion: Rouslan Kaioumov.
Came to the junior worlds in 1999 as the major favorite for both the TT and the road race. Finished 2nd in the TT behind a certain Cancellara, and lost the two man sprint for the road race win to a certain Cunego.
Then disappeared off the face of the planet. And I do mean it, good luck finding ANYTHING about him afterwards.
I searched for informations about him but there is nothing reported on him after 1999. Strange thing. I really would like to know his story.
Me too. I did once find something about him: He was listed as a starter in the 2002 Giro delle Regioni. That's it.
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| SotD |
Posted on 27-09-2012 18:19
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A lot of riders who definately didn't bust is mentioned here. Phinney? Please! One of the biggest talents in recent years, only recently finished 2nd in the WC ITT, 22? years old!
Please stop calling riders at the age of 25 or below for riders that have gone bust. They are at a state in their career where they are still very capable of improving. They might not have reached what people expected, but they lack some experience, that they will only gain from age, and racing. That will come in due time.
Yaroslav Popovych is one of the better examples of a rider busting his potential imo. But then again, he used a fair amount of his best years as a luxury helper for 3-4 captains at different crap teams. He was good as a captain in his younger years, and has been a decent helper since, but his ability to perform in both TT's and mountains have been severely lacklustre after he decided to join a team that wouldn't use him the way he deserved. The same is basically happening for Jakob Fuglsang, Roman Kreuziger and probably a lot of other riders aswell.
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 27-09-2012 23:28
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issoisso wrote:
ppanther wrote:
Just to add one of the biggest mysteries in cycling in my opinion: Rouslan Kaioumov.
Came to the junior worlds in 1999 as the major favorite for both the TT and the road race. Finished 2nd in the TT behind a certain Cancellara, and lost the two man sprint for the road race win to a certain Cunego.
Then disappeared off the face of the planet. And I do mean it, good luck finding ANYTHING about him afterwards.
I searched for informations about him but there is nothing reported on him after 1999. Strange thing. I really would like to know his story.
Me too. I did once find something about him: He was listed as a starter in the 2002 Giro delle Regioni. That's it.
Did we ever find out what happened to that American dude John Devine? |
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| cactus-jack |
Posted on 27-09-2012 23:35
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Just a question; would some of you consider Andy Schleck to be a complete failure as a cyclist? I mean, he is a stage racer but has never won a Grand Tour (before you correct me; no, that doesn't count).
There's a fine line between "psychotherapist" and "psycho the rapist"
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| roturn |
Posted on 27-09-2012 23:36
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CrueTrue wrote:
issoisso wrote:
ppanther wrote:
Just to add one of the biggest mysteries in cycling in my opinion: Rouslan Kaioumov.
Came to the junior worlds in 1999 as the major favorite for both the TT and the road race. Finished 2nd in the TT behind a certain Cancellara, and lost the two man sprint for the road race win to a certain Cunego.
Then disappeared off the face of the planet. And I do mean it, good luck finding ANYTHING about him afterwards.
I searched for informations about him but there is nothing reported on him after 1999. Strange thing. I really would like to know his story.
Me too. I did once find something about him: He was listed as a starter in the 2002 Giro delle Regioni. That's it.
Did we ever find out what happened to that American dude John Devine?
As far as I know he had some family issues but nobody knows anything further as it was never made public. He just stopped cycling then and disappeared completely.  |
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| JakobNielsen |
Posted on 28-09-2012 00:03
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First of all: If alexanderlens isn't joking, it's clear that he knows absolutely nothing about cycling.
Well, I guess Kai Reus deserves a mention. I know he had a very unfortunate accident, but at that point he had already shown signs of not being able to live up to his expectations.
Giuseppe Palumbo is another very promising rider that never really met the demands of pro cycling.
Kanstantsin Siutsou is on the verge. The same goes for Mikhail Ignatiev. Marcado maybe.
Christophe Rinero seems to be an obvios doping case. He did manage to win the polka dots in the Tour and finish 4th after his win in l'Avenir, only to proceed in what would be turn out to be a very modest very modest carreer. |
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| felix_29 |
Posted on 28-09-2012 00:06
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cactus-jack wrote:
Just a question; would some of you consider Andy Schleck to be a complete failure as a cyclist? I mean, he is a stage racer but has never won a Grand Tour (before you correct me; no, that doesn't count).
Definatly no. A LBL-win and several 2nd places in GTs are way too good to consider him a complete failure.
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 28-09-2012 06:23
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JakobNielsen wrote:
Christophe Rinero seems to be an obvios doping case. He did manage to win the polka dots in the Tour and finish 4th after his win in l'Avenir, only to proceed in what would be turn out to be a very modest very modest carreer. Well, if anyone ever wondered how much more you could get from one rider if you gave him loads of EPO, here's your answer. You can turn a random Christophe Rinero into a top 4 rider, one of the very best climber around, etc. |
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 28-09-2012 07:01
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I wouldn't call Andy a complete failure. Sure he could've done better, but winning L-B-L is history.
I'd say Danny Pate is a bust. We expected so many great things from him  |
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| ppanther |
Posted on 28-09-2012 08:37
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issoisso wrote:
Me too. I did once find something about him: He was listed as a starter in the 2002 Giro delle Regioni. That's it.
Thats all i found:
on a Russian website:
"...In 2000, 1st and 2nd places at the championship of Russia among men with Dmitry Dementyev and Denis Bondarenko. They form the backbone of the team together with Ruslan Kayumov..."
on an other site:
teams:
1999: Junior
2000: MG Boys Maglificio - Aqua Mema (ITA) (Elite2)
2001: MG Boys Maglificio - Aqua Mema (ITA) (Elite2)
2002: Volvo Dorini - Aqua Water - NSR (ITA) (Elite2)
So in 2000 there was still faith in his abilities and he had teams until 2002. |
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| JakobNielsen |
Posted on 28-09-2012 09:40
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Aquarius wrote:
JakobNielsen wrote:
Christophe Rinero seems to be an obvios doping case. He did manage to win the polka dots in the Tour and finish 4th after his win in l'Avenir, only to proceed in what would be turn out to be a very modest very modest carreer. Well, if anyone ever wondered how much more you could get from one rider if you gave him loads of EPO, here's your answer. You can turn a random Christophe Rinero into a top 4 rider, one of the very best climber around, etc.
Heh. I guess he sent some signals that wasn't really intended when he refused to wear the dotted jersey after Massi was excluded from the race because the police found doping in his hotel room. |
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| CountArach |
Posted on 28-09-2012 14:54
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issoisso wrote:
ppanther wrote:
Just to add one of the biggest mysteries in cycling in my opinion: Rouslan Kaioumov.
Came to the junior worlds in 1999 as the major favorite for both the TT and the road race. Finished 2nd in the TT behind a certain Cancellara, and lost the two man sprint for the road race win to a certain Cunego.
Then disappeared off the face of the planet. And I do mean it, good luck finding ANYTHING about him afterwards.
I searched for informations about him but there is nothing reported on him after 1999. Strange thing. I really would like to know his story.
Me too. I did once find something about him: He was listed as a starter in the 2002 Giro delle Regioni. That's it.
God damn it isso, I've wasted the last half hour googling him and I'm just genuinely curious now. He has just disappeared off the face of the earth! Even searching his UCI code yields nothing.
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| Barbaruvian |
Posted on 28-09-2012 15:17
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Maybe he decided to go off an pursue a real career? |
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 28-09-2012 15:23
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another odd one
not a bust as such...
John-Lee Augustyn
looked liked a potentially good climber at an early age
then got ill
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| Bushwackers |
Posted on 28-09-2012 23:44
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Ian Butler wrote:
I wouldn't call Andy a complete failure. Sure he could've done better, but winning L-B-L is history.
I'd say Danny Pate is a bust. We expected so many great things from him
I know you're trolling, but I'd like to point out that if the pro peloton were completely clean, I think Danny Pate would have even better results than he has so far. And he does have good results (TdF Podium, Giro Stage Win and Podium, Criterium International Podium) as it is. I wouldn't consider him a bust by any means, and I think he'd be a top rider if he had the opportunities and the pro peloton were clean.
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| Farmer Sam |
Posted on 29-09-2012 07:18
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Martijn Maaskant, burst onto the scene coming 4th in his first Paris-Roubaix and literally done nothing since. |
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 29-09-2012 07:49
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Bushwackers wrote:
Ian Butler wrote:
I wouldn't call Andy a complete failure. Sure he could've done better, but winning L-B-L is history.
I'd say Danny Pate is a bust. We expected so many great things from him
I know you're trolling, but I'd like to point out that if the pro peloton were completely clean, I think Danny Pate would have even better results than he has so far. And he does have good results (TdF Podium, Giro Stage Win and Podium, Criterium International Podium) as it is. I wouldn't consider him a bust by any means, and I think he'd be a top rider if he had the opportunities and the pro peloton were clean.
Of course, I was just kidding.
I don't know enough about Danny Pate (except 100 jokes on this site) to know what he's capable of. Maybe he is a strong rider, I agree that clean riders in the peloton certainly have a disadvantage. De Gendt said he has a better chance now that the peloton is more clean, otherwise he wouldn't have made top 3 in the Giro. Who knows, maybe Pate is (as) clean (as possible). Fact is: it was a joke
And a podium place in Tour de France (stage) is of course a great accomplishment, not everyone in the pack has achieved that!
Edited by Ian Butler on 29-09-2012 08:01
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