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| CountArach |
Posted on 11-09-2012 11:52
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sutty68 wrote:
That looks a strong German squad 
Yeah but it really lacks a winner. For this sort of course there are seven domestiques there but no one capable of punching with the best of them. I mean, Wegmann might do okay and he is on decent form, but the others just aren't suited to this terrain.
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| roturn |
Posted on 11-09-2012 12:02
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I think also Martens and Degenkolb must be watched. First one I think is even stronger than Wegmann on these classics and Degenkolb at least proved his great form.
Boonen said, the course isn`t as hard as everyone thinks and he has a chance there. Then Degenkolb should also have a chance. |
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Posted on 11-09-2012 12:10
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roturn wrote:
I think also Martens and Degenkolb must be watched. First one I think is even stronger than Wegmann on these classics and Degenkolb at least proved his great form.
Boonen said, the course isn`t as hard as everyone thinks and he has a chance there. Then Degenkolb should also have a chance.
If there was a weaker field then maybe Degenkolb, and yes the Cauberg isn't as hard as people give it credit for, but if we are counting Degenkolb in then we must also count in Boonen, Sagan, Freire and a whole lot of other guys who are great at this sort of finish.
Although I just realised that the finish isn't on top of the Cauberg, it is just after it, so maybe a few guys will get to the top together and sprint it out? Definitely a finish for Sagan then if he is up for it.
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| kumazan |
Posted on 11-09-2012 12:19
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Yep, the finish is perfect for Sagan, but he's not showing his Tourminator form lately. And the Cauberg is close enough to the finish to give a fair chance to a strong attacker to win solo (or in a small group).
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 11-09-2012 12:24
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Biggest problem of Sagan will imo be that whole peloton is starting to work against him (look we have Sagan in the group, he will beat us in the finish so we will rather sit up) or when the group without him escape (look the group escaped and Sagan who will beat us in the sprint is no there, so let him do all the work or let the guys from the break win). 
I know it is just logical move, i hope he can get great support from Peter Velits, who could be also dark horse on this course (but i think he is aiming for the TT).
I think we can have quite surprisive winner because of it, or some strong attacker who will catch Sagan off-guard (Gilbert, Gerrans,Voeckler...).
Edit: And as Kumazan says, Peter is probably not in top form, but he can get to it in remaining 10 days.
Edited by Avin Wargunnson on 11-09-2012 12:25
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| Deadpool |
Posted on 11-09-2012 13:04
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Biggest problem of Sagan will imo be that whole peloton is starting to work against him (look we have Sagan in the group, he will beat us in the finish so we will rather sit up) or when the group without him escape (look the group escaped and Sagan who will beat us in the sprint is no there, so let him do all the work or let the guys from the break win).
I know it is just logical move, i hope he can get great support from Peter Velits, who could be also dark horse on this course (but i think he is aiming for the TT).
I think we can have quite surprisive winner because of it, or some strong attacker who will catch Sagan off-guard (Gilbert, Gerrans,Voeckler...).
Edit: And as Kumazan says, Peter is probably not in top form, but he can get to it in remaining 10 days.
Sagan is getting to a point that I don't think I've really ever seen before, namely that teams are scared of him on just about every finishing terrain short of a Cat. 1 or HC climb. The two riders recently who remind me most of that are Bettini and Freire, but Bettini was only a mediocre sprinter and Freire didn't really have the legs to challenge the Bettini and Boogerd types on a hilly finish. So they were both dangerous, but if the terrain was a little off, teams didn't worry that much. I'm not sure Sagan is that much better than young Freire, but at the moment he certainly has that reputation. Teams are scared to pull him up to the finish no matter what.
I'm seriously beginning to think Sagan was built in a lab for the express purpose of winning MSR. Prove me wrong, you can't. See, his "older brother" was the original prototype that didn't quite work out..
EDIT: Also, could you imagine Voeckler with the rainbow jersey? He's already the biggest dick in cycling, could you imagine what he'd be like if he had that ego boost that comes with being WC. He'd probably start demanding other riders let him win...
Edited by Deadpool on 11-09-2012 13:05
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 11-09-2012 13:23
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You made my day Deadpool 
And yeah, i know Peter is made from the alien spaceship technology, spaceship that crashed in Slovakia back in 80s, top slovakian secret, so psssst!
Edit: And about Freire similarity, was Freire doing the mountain attacks like Sagan this year? I cant recall that and i was too young in his complete beginnings...when he was 21,22.
Edited by Avin Wargunnson on 11-09-2012 13:25
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| Miguel98 |
Posted on 11-09-2012 13:28
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That comment deserves a  . Sagan is not in tip top condition, if he was, he would have dominated the Canadian Classics. My bet is Gilbert 1st, Costa 2nd and Gerrans 3rd. Nordhaug is the other danger, and put out to a men named Thomas Voeckler. |
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 11-09-2012 13:31
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I see we can move our discussion here https://pcmdaily.c...d_id=24949
Thanks CT.
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 11-09-2012 13:50
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Pozzato gets a three month ban for working with Michele Ferrari. But since his ban is retroactive, he can return to racing on 19th of September... |
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| Miguel98 |
Posted on 11-09-2012 13:51
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Biggest ban of all time. |
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| Montolivo |
Posted on 11-09-2012 13:57
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Miguel98 wrote:
Biggest ban of all time.
Really? Why should he get a ban in the first place, he hasn't tested positive. Very unecessary to say the least. If he should get a ban then F.Schleck should be banned for life by now, the same with A.Contador.
On another case. Has F.Schleck got a ban for the positive in the Tour yet? |
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 11-09-2012 14:00
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It's not allowed to work with Ferrari, that's why they're punishing him.
I think Schleck is facing a jury in October or November.
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 11-09-2012 14:00
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He worked with a banned doctor. Why shouldn't that result in a ban?
Fränk Schleck's case is still being processed in Luxembourg. He's not officially banned yet. |
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| Montolivo |
Posted on 11-09-2012 14:11
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CrueTrue wrote:
He worked with a banned doctor. Why shouldn't that result in a ban?
Fränk Schleck's case is still being processed in Luxembourg. He's not officially banned yet.
Then it would be very many cases if everyone that has worked with a banned doctor should get banned themselves. Wasn't Evans in contact with him? I think it would just be to ridicilous.
And I think anyway that when you haven't tested positive and not used/bought drugs from the doctor and they can't prove it, you shouldn't get a ban. |
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 11-09-2012 14:14
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I don't think that there's enough, if any, proof that Evans worked with Ferrari. If there was, they'd punish him too.
Why should they allow riders to work with known doping doctors?
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| felix_29 |
Posted on 11-09-2012 14:18
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Pellizotti2 wrote:
I don't think that there's enough, if any, proof that Evans worked with Ferrari. If there was, they'd punish him too.
Why should they allow riders to work with known doping doctors?
Evans admits he worked with Ferrari on his own website.
But i doubt Ferrari was banned back then, so no reason to punish Evans.
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 11-09-2012 14:18
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Montolivo wrote:
CrueTrue wrote:
He worked with a banned doctor. Why shouldn't that result in a ban?
Fränk Schleck's case is still being processed in Luxembourg. He's not officially banned yet.
Then it would be very many cases if everyone that has worked with a banned doctor should get banned themselves. Wasn't Evans in contact with him? I think it would just be to ridicilous.
And I think anyway that when you haven't tested positive and not used/bought drugs from the doctor and they can't prove it, you shouldn't get a ban.
If Evans worked with Ferrari, I'm guessing it was before he got banned.
What's the point of banning a doctor if there's no consequences of working with him? |
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 11-09-2012 14:20
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In that case, ignore the first part of my previous post. 
But as you said, Ferrari wasn't banned back then. If there was proof that they were still working together, he'd obviously be punished too.
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| Deadpool |
Posted on 11-09-2012 14:37
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I'm pro-fine when it comes to working with a banned doctor. If you actually dope, you need to be banned and have results stripped, but if all that is there is contact? Go after the rider's pocketbooks, with how most pro's are paid they'll care more about that then a three month ban.
EDIT: Oh, and link the fine to rider salaries, something like 5%. A 5,000 euro fine doesn't do anything to Contador, but it means a lot to a journeyman. If you link it to salaries, suddenly Contador is losing six-figures.
I'm also all for adding large fines to suspensions for doping bans.
Edited by Deadpool on 11-09-2012 14:39
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