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La Vuelta 2012 expectations
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| Ybodonk |
Posted on 01-08-2012 11:02
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litllemagnum wrote:
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The point is you guys are like :" Oh De Gendt is better than Gesink, because he got third in a Giro" . So by your logic and by what most people did write in this thread that 3th place surpasses everything Gesink have achieved earlier.
Sorry to say, but in strong competition De Gendt is not going to finish in top 10.
The conclusive part is that many have dissed Gesink and hyped De Gendt up to something he aint.
Im not a fan of either of them, im mainly remaining objective.
i agree with you about Gesink being better but to say De Gendt isn't capable of finishing top 10 is retarded. De Gendt started focusing on GT's this year. He has room for improvement so he definitely has the potential to ride top 10 at the very least.
If we have a TDF next year with everyone there, im not seing De Gendt finishing in top 10. So many riders are way infront of him.
If he joins Team Sky however, then i will raise my concerns and he will be a top 3 contender 
I was just pissed of that so many hails and praises De Gendt and disses and hates Gesink. Gesink have been one of the last to drop Contador Schleck etc when he was at his best. And he has improved his ITT a lot.
Gesink should join another team. Rabobank is full of bad karma and environment. For some reasons the GC contenders of that team never successes |
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| MartijnVDD |
Posted on 01-08-2012 11:13
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My point is that because of De Gendt's recent evolution in stage races and Gesink's recent decline of form, De Gendt has a better chance of riding top 10 than Gesink.
I never said De Gendt has achieved more in his career than Gesink. We're discussing our expectations for the 2012 Vuelta, not careers. |
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| Teddy The Creator |
Posted on 01-08-2012 11:25
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"Gesink's recent decline of form"? What? He crashed out of Le Tour, and in the two real stage races he led (Suisse and Cali), he got top-4 and a win.
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| Ybodonk |
Posted on 01-08-2012 11:38
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MartijnVDD wrote:
My point is that because of De Gendt's recent evolution in stage races and Gesink's recent decline of form, De Gendt has a better chance of riding top 10 than Gesink.
I never said De Gendt has achieved more in his career than Gesink. We're discussing our expectations for the 2012 Vuelta, not careers.
Im not referring to you personally. I just read the last few pages where Gesink was grilled and hated by several users.
Now you have repeated the outlined sentence twice so here is my answer;
I do know what we are discussing - since im the one who created the thread.
Just a general answer to all the hate on Gesink and his abilities. |
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| Ybodonk |
Posted on 01-08-2012 11:38
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Teddy The Creator wrote:
"Gesink's recent decline of form"? What? He crashed out of Le Tour, and in the two real stage races he led (Suisse and Cali), he got top-4 and a win.
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| kumazan |
Posted on 01-08-2012 11:40
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Teddy The Creator wrote:
"Gesink's recent decline of form"? What? He crashed out of Le Tour, and in the two real stage races he led (Suisse and Cali), he got top-4 and a win.
And it's worth remembering the he broke his friggin leg last year. So his weak first part of the season was totally expected.
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| Schleck96 |
Posted on 01-08-2012 14:27
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Ybodonk wrote:
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That's what I meant, but about the"doing virtually nothing", I mean WTF? Call me when you see Gesink doing an attack like Schleck on the Galibier's stage. And don't forget that in 2010 Schleck lost 39 seconds with the chain problem, which was the same deficit in the end of the Tour. And Schleck has a 2nd place in a Giro, 3 2nd places in Tours and 1 win in a LBL, a 3rd place in a LBL...But yeah Gesink hasn't been a lucky guy.
God i got so pissed that i need to answer this post.
You are such a Schleck fanboy...
First of all, yeah he lost 39 seconds in that stage and yes it was the difference in the Tour. HOWEVER A. Contador crashed 2 or 3 times during the first week. He lost alone 2min on the cobbles, where Cancellara did ride with FULL sped, i DO REPEAT everyone KNEW Contador crashed and was behind and THEY DID RIDE WITH FULL SPEED. He lost approx. 2min.
Stop being blind. This is a typical Schleck hypocrit fanboy post.
I'm not saying that your point is wrong but if I remember well the race was already being pushed hard and F.Schleck was in that crash aswell and they kept pushing.
and Dude, seriouly if I was THE Schleck fanboy like you said, I wouldn't say 3 2nd places, I would say 2 2nd places and a victory (Contador's story...). Or I wouldn't make fun of Schleck like I did many times in this forum. And more, it seems that you are a Gesink FANBOY because you got so pissed even when I wasn't talking about him. |
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 01-08-2012 16:13
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You also have to consider the fact that Andy lost much more time on the descent from Port de Balès than he did from dropping his chain. He was like 15 seconds or something behind Contador on the top. The rest was lost on the way down.
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| Schleck96 |
Posted on 01-08-2012 16:21
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Pellizotti2 wrote:
You also have to consider the fact that Andy lost much more time on the descent from Port de Balès than he did from dropping his chain. He was like 15 seconds or something behind Contador on the top. The rest was lost on the way down.
Yeah. I remember he was close but on the descent he lost some seconds too. But that doesnt matter now. What matter's is the fact that the Vuelta is almost starting and it should be an exciting race. |
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| MartijnVDD |
Posted on 01-08-2012 16:33
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I asked this before, but it got lost in the discussions:
Where will Maxime Monfort end?
It's interesting to hear stuff about Belgian stage racers from other people than the Belgian media. |
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| Wilier |
Posted on 01-08-2012 16:38
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Normally you'd expect him somewhere between places 6-15 in the GC. |
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| kumazan |
Posted on 01-08-2012 16:42
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The competition in this Vuelta is, on paper, quite strong, so I'd say Monfort could end 10-15th. Then again, last year there were also many strong contenders who failed spectacularly, so who knows, at this point in the season form varies a lot between riders.
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| Wilier |
Posted on 01-08-2012 16:44
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Exactly there's always bound to be a couple of top riders who fail miserably during the Vuelta. |
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| Schleck96 |
Posted on 01-08-2012 16:47
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kumazan wrote:
The competition in this Vuelta is, on paper, quite strong, so I'd say Monfort could end 10-15th. Then again, last year there were also many strong contenders who failed spectacularly, so who knows, at this point in the season form varies a lot between riders.
I remember watching Anton failing right on Sierra Nevada. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 01-08-2012 19:12
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All this talk will be irrelevant when Froomekourov wins the Vuelta
Jokes aside I'll be laughing when it turns out he's actually able to compete. Because as we all know, doing the Tour, the Olympics and the Vuelta in the space of 10 weeks is a piece of cake 
Edited by issoisso on 01-08-2012 19:13
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 01-08-2012 19:21
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I figure Froomekourov is like Frändy Schleck but based on Wiggokourov and Froomechkin ? |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 01-08-2012 19:24
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I believe the original, about 5 years ago, was Moreaukourov
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| kumazan |
Posted on 01-08-2012 19:25
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Wrong man. Not Froomekourov. He's Froomechkin. His mate with sideburns is Wiggokourov. Clearly, duh.
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| Bookie |
Posted on 01-08-2012 20:10
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MartijnVDD wrote:
I asked this before, but it got lost in the discussions:
Where will Maxime Monfort end?
It's interesting to hear stuff about Belgian stage racers from other people than the Belgian media.
It'll depend on who he will cope with any Tour backlash.
That goes for all the Tour riders. I'm curious how they will fare. |
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 01-08-2012 21:53
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issoisso wrote:
Jokes aside I'll be laughing when it turns out he's actually able to compete. Because as we all know, doing the Tour, the Olympics and the Vuelta in the space of 10 weeks is a piece of cake
I am dead serious already. Watching how months go pass..and Wiggins keep on winnings..this s scary stuff already |
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