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Tour de France 2012: Pre-Race thread
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| CountArach |
Posted on 07-06-2012 15:23
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Ian Butler wrote:
If Wiggens won't win, it's not going to be because he isn't peaking. He knows what he's doing. Most GC riders (for TDF) that know what they're doing, will peak just fine in TDF. Don't know for Andy, though.
Of course Andy will peak for the Tour... He doesn't even ride any other races properly.
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 07-06-2012 16:08
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CountArach wrote:
Ian Butler wrote:
If Wiggens won't win, it's not going to be because he isn't peaking. He knows what he's doing. Most GC riders (for TDF) that know what they're doing, will peak just fine in TDF. Don't know for Andy, though.
Of course Andy will peak for the Tour... He doesn't even ride any other races properly.
like Armstrong used to do ... except lance won... |
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 07-06-2012 17:41
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TheManxMissile wrote:
CountArach wrote:
Ian Butler wrote:
If Wiggens won't win, it's not going to be because he isn't peaking. He knows what he's doing. Most GC riders (for TDF) that know what they're doing, will peak just fine in TDF. Don't know for Andy, though.
Of course Andy will peak for the Tour... He doesn't even ride any other races properly.
like Armstrong used to do ... except lance won...
...and there's the difference 
btw Both of the Schleck brothers won one (semi)classic. Still not much, but at least they're in the history books. |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 10-06-2012 12:47
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I've been checking out TDF results over the last 10 years, and compared it to the races used as preparation by the riders who either podiumed, either won a distinctive jersey.
Here it is :
| 1st | 2nd | 3rd | Points | K.O.M. | Youngster | | 2011 | Evans | A. Schleck | F. Schleck | Cavendish | S. Sanchez | Rolland | | Prep. Race | Dauphiné | Suisse | Suisse | Suisse | Dauphiné | Dauphiné |
| 2010 | A. Schleck | Menchov | S. Sanchez | Petacchi | Charteau | A. Schleck | | Prep. Race | Suisse | Dauphiné | Dauphiné | Suisse | - | Suisse |
| 2009 | Contador | A. Schleck | Armstrong | Hushovd | - | A. Schleck | | Prep. Race | Dauphiné | Suisse | - | Suisse | - | Suisse |
| 2008 | Sastre | Evans | Menchov | Freire | Sastre | A. Schleck | | Prep. Race | Dauphiné | Dauphiné | - | Suisse | Dauphiné | Suisse |
| 2007 | Contador | Evans | Leipheimer | Boonen | Soler | Contador | | Prep. Race | Dauphiné | Dauphiné | Dauphiné | Dauphiné | - | Dauphiné |
| 2006 | Pereiro | Klöden | Sastre | McEwen | Rasmussen | Cunego | | Prep. Race | Dauphiné | - | - | - | Suisse | - |
| 2005 | Armstrong | Basso | - | Hushovd | Rasmussen | Popovych | | Prep. Race | Dauphiné | - | - | Dauphiné | - | Dauphiné |
| 2004 | Armstrong | Klöden | Basso | McEwen | Virenque | Karpets | | Prep. Race | Dauphiné | - | Dauphiné | Suisse | Dauphiné | - |
| 2003 | Armstrong | Ullrich | Vinokourov | Cooke | Virenque | Menchov | | Prep. Race | Dauphiné | Suisse | Suisse | Suisse | Dauphiné | Dauphiné |
| 2002 | Armstrong | Beloki | Rumsas | McEwen | Jalabert | Basso | | Prep. Race | Dauphiné | - | - | - | Dauphiné | Suisse |
What can be concluded from this (poorly displayed  ) table ?
1) To win the TDF, you'd better ride the Dauphiné before (90 % of chances).
2) To podium (winners not included), you might as well ride Dauphiné or Suisse (6 podium finishers came from Dauphiné, 5 from Suisse).
Some riders also rode in Catalunya, when that still existed (early 2000's).
Strangely enough, you might as well come from the Giro, or out of nowhere to finish on the podium.
3) Green (points) Jersey ? 6 winners came from Suisse, only Hushovd (2005) and Boonen (2007) made it from the Dauphiné. McEwen got it twice (2002, 2006), without riding any.
4) Polka dots (KOM) jersey : better ride the Dauphiné (5 winners) than the Tour de Suisse (only the infamous Rasmussen got it that way in 2006).
5) White (best youngster jersey) : it's pretty even. 4 each, plus Cunego and Karpets who didn't the Dauphiné nor the Tour de Suisse.
I considered the legal winners only (means no Contador 2010) and didn't include results when the winner was suspended but the following rider didn't get the reward either (Pellizotti's KOM jersey, Ullrich's podium, etc.) |
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| Wilier |
Posted on 10-06-2012 13:35
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Wow, you must have no life.
Just kidding. Very interesting to see that the winner usually comes from the Dauphine. So it's Wiggins vs. Evans in the TdF then? |
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 10-06-2012 13:38
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Wilier wrote:
Wow, you must have no life.
Just kidding. Very interesting to see that the winner usually comes from the Dauphine. So it's Wiggins vs. Evans in the TdF then?
Usually when there's a battle between 2, no one of them wins  |
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| kumazan |
Posted on 10-06-2012 13:39
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Wilier wrote:
Wow, you must have no life.
Just kidding. Very interesting to see that the winner usually comes from the Dauphine. So it's Wiggins vs. Evans in the TdF then?
I think Wiggins vs Froome.
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| Wilier |
Posted on 10-06-2012 13:40
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And Porte.
Edited by Wilier on 10-06-2012 13:41
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| Gulvplanke |
Posted on 10-06-2012 13:42
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Don't forget Rogers
How hard can it be?
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 10-06-2012 13:43
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In say 3 Sky riders in top 10 |
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| Teddy The Creator |
Posted on 10-06-2012 13:48
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How has no one mentioned Lance the second, Edvald Boasson-Hagen?
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| Gulvplanke |
Posted on 10-06-2012 13:58
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Teddy The Creator wrote:
How has no one mentioned Lance the second, Edvald Boasson-Hagen?
I thought Danielson was supposed to be Lance the second
How hard can it be?
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| climeon |
Posted on 10-06-2012 14:03
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Ian Butler wrote:
...and there's the difference
btw Both of the Schleck brothers won one (semi)classic. Still not much, but at least they're in the history books.
I think liege is a lot more than just a semi-classic |
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| xmaniacxx |
Posted on 10-06-2012 14:03
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sky fans ..
Edited by xmaniacxx on 10-06-2012 14:04
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 10-06-2012 14:12
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xmaniacxx wrote:
sky fans ..
I think you have to be pretty blind not see that most of them are being sarcastic 
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| xmaniacxx |
Posted on 10-06-2012 14:14
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why would they? great sky preformance in the dauphine. only i dislike their way of riding. |
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 10-06-2012 14:16
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Because Kumazan and wilier are not really Sky fans and the way they posted it, suggest sarcasm. Teddy also added some spice there
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| fcancellara |
Posted on 10-06-2012 14:23
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Everybody knows Luke Rowe was going to win the Tour if he was selected, come on guys...
But I think Ben Swift will be a big threat to the Schlecks and Evans in the mountains. 
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 10-06-2012 14:25
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fcancellara wrote:
But I think Ben Swift will be a big threat to the Schlecks and Evans in the mountains.
It's only a matter of time!
Tour of Britain KoM 2006: Andy Schleck
Tour of Britain KoM 2007: Ben Swift
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| fcancellara |
Posted on 10-06-2012 14:26
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SportingNonsense wrote:
fcancellara wrote:
But I think Ben Swift will be a big threat to the Schlecks and Evans in the mountains.
It's only a matter of time!
Tour of Britain KoM 2006: Andy Schleck
Tour of Britain KoM 2007: Ben Swift
Exactly!
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