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| miggi133 |
Posted on 08-11-2012 22:44
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fcancellara wrote:
The only thing hurdle drills ever did to me was giving me bruises 
Gotta be tall enough to do them!
Properly I should add...
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| fcancellara |
Posted on 08-11-2012 22:45
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170.
Nope, not gonna work.
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| miggi133 |
Posted on 08-11-2012 22:47
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fcancellara wrote:
170.
Nope, not gonna work.
See im 6'1 or 6'2 (around 188), so a good bit taller...
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 08-11-2012 22:50
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I agree about the stretching. From studies I've read, doing significant stretching less than 6 hours before the start of a competition is likely to do more harm than good.
Not sure about triple jump, as I have something like 0 explosive force. My marks and initial speed were excellent (I guess it's very relative if it's to be compared to a 200 m runner), but I didn't go anywhere. Same for long jump.
About the mile/1500 m : focus on others if they're at least half decent. Run at your own superior pace otherwise.  From what can be seen on T.V. : they run as a bunch until 600 m or so, and do the last 400 like mad.
From personal experience, it starts very fast and the pace keeps increasing and it all ends up with a long sprint that totally whacks you. If you intend to prepare it specifically, focus on M.A.S. (max aerobic speed) as it's purely a case of M.A.S. That implies a good base speed (which you have as a sprinter), ability to fight lactic acid (which you should also have) and a high VO2 (which you might not have, but if you run km easily under 3 minutes as written above, you must have it).
Also, as a sprinter you might not be used to running among a bunch in competition. You should get out of it as fast as possible, have a good position on the starting line, etc. Losing a truck load of seconds is easy in those conditions.
I did hurdles too, back in the days (at training only). It's good for synchronisation, managing proper footsteps, etc. and it combines sheer speed with jumping ability, so if you've got the basic qualities for it you can't be bad for triple jump either.
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| miggi133 |
Posted on 08-11-2012 22:54
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Cheers... Very good advice for the race tactics! And dont worry, Never done triple jum myself and until last year i did not know how complicated it is...
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| cactus-jack |
Posted on 08-11-2012 22:55
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Quick, there's an english word that I cant seem to find anywhere. I'll explain it:
Those things you put on your shoe that has studs on them so you don't fall when it's icy outside. From now on refered to as "spikey-put-on-shoe-thingy". I was looking for those since it's pretty icy here now and it's difficult to run.
There's that out of the way, here's my actual story. I was in the store today looking for a spikey-put-on-shoe-thingy and I asked the salesman (that is, a man who sells sporting goods for a living!) if they had those only for running and not walking.
His response? "Sspikey-put-on-shoe-thingys for running doesn't exist". How can you work there without knowing your head from your ass?!
There's a fine line between "psychotherapist" and "psycho the rapist"
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| Pinktay3 |
Posted on 08-11-2012 22:55
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About the hurdle drills, from what I can gather, they'd be good for hurdlers, and not much else. I think they could possible help with your flexibility, but I wouldn't say they would too much, I think they would more get the muscles working properly and used to the action |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 08-11-2012 22:58
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cactus-jack wrote:
Quick, there's an english word that I cant seem to find anywhere. I'll explain it:
Those things you put on your shoe that has studs on them so you don't fall when it's icy outside. From now on refered to as "spikey-put-on-shoe-thingy". I was looking for those since it's pretty icy here now and it's difficult to run.
There's that out of the way, here's my actual story. I was in the store today looking for a spikey-put-on-shoe-thingy and I asked the salesman (that is, a man who sells sporting goods for a living!) if they had those only for running and not walking.
His response? "Sspikey-put-on-shoe-thingys for running doesn't exist". How can you work there without knowing your head from your ass?!
They're just called "spikes" or "spiked shoes" as far as I know. But you can't run on macadam or concrete with that. It's track or grass only (track or cross-country). Most big shops usually have one or two models here, and a few hundreds of random running shoes (to give you an idea of the proportion). |
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| miggi133 |
Posted on 08-11-2012 23:06
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Pinktay3 wrote:
About the hurdle drills, from what I can gather, they'd be good for hurdlers, and not much else. I think they could possible help with your flexibility, but I wouldn't say they would too much, I think they would more get the muscles working properly and used to the action
Well, from what I gathered, they are supposed to open up the hips... Which is usefull for sprinters again, due to the concentration of momentum. In sprints you exert force with your driving leg on the ground etc...
As for "Spikey-thingy-jack": I thought you were in a sportsshop with a bunch of really hot girls working in there...
For Running, you are looking for track spikes (different variations of shoes as in middle distance sprint long distance) different legth off the actual spike (they start at 4mm and go up to 1.3 cm for cross country [could somebody please back that one up?]).
There are also some spikes for walking on icy roads to get grip which you strap beneath your shoe. but those are just made for walking (and thats just what they do... Terrible pun, i know) and not at all made for running...
I hope that helps you
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| fcancellara |
Posted on 08-11-2012 23:18
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Miggi's speech about spikes is right
I personally have only one pair of spikes, I think they are 5mm.
I use them for all distances on track, as I've never ran more than 1500m on the track. For road races and crosses (that's what we call it here, it's basically a race through the forest, on the beach, etc.) I just run on my normal running shoes.
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| miggi133 |
Posted on 08-11-2012 23:21
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fcancellara wrote:
Miggi's speech about spikes is right
I personally have only one pair of spikes, I think they are 5mm.
I use them for all distances on track, as I've never ran more than 1500m on the track. For road races and crosses (that's what we call it here, it's basically a race through the forest, on the beach, etc.) I just run on my normal running shoes.
On most tracks they dont allow more than 5mm spikes, as 6mm spikes wreck the track quicker...
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| fcancellara |
Posted on 08-11-2012 23:33
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By the way, I have been injured for almost two months now, I've got a bruising under the periosteum (bone membrane) of my tibia (shinbone). The doctor said I should not do sports until the swelling is gone.
I believe that with this pace my recovery will take at least another month: I don't see any difference with how it looked like two weeks ago
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| miggi133 |
Posted on 08-11-2012 23:40
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fcancellara wrote:
By the way, I have been injured for almost two months now, I've got a bruising under the periosteum (bone membrane) of my tibia (shinbone). The doctor said I should not do sports until the swelling is gone.
I believe that with this pace my recovery will take at least another month: I don't see any difference with how it looked like two weeks ago
Yeah, Ive heard of that. Itll take some time to heal! And even then, you have slowly build it up again, so say you will be able to start training in Mid December, you have to train very carefully and slowly incease the intensity... (That was the advice my friend got at least and he got it around the same time as you last year, maybe a month later). His whole season was affected as he wasnt fit at all for the indoor season and he still struggled in the outdoor season and ended the year with a season best 2:12... His PB is 2 dead...
So you may be in for a long one 
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| cactus-jack |
Posted on 09-11-2012 00:02
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I'm not talking about spikes for running on a track, read my post. I mentioned ice. We've got about 4-5 months of winter and the roads are slippery as hell.
Maybe you don't have those inventions down south
There's a fine line between "psychotherapist" and "psycho the rapist"
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| miggi133 |
Posted on 09-11-2012 00:10
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cactus-jack wrote:
I'm not talking about spikes for running on a track, read my post. I mentioned ice. We've got about 4-5 months of winter and the roads are slippery as hell.
Maybe you don't have those inventions down south
Let me quote from my own text:
There are also some spikes for walking on icy roads to get grip which you strap beneath your shoe. but those are just made for walking (and thats just what they do... Terrible pun, i know) and not at all made for running...
The guy was right in light of you running with those strap-on spikes...
Furthermore, those spikes for walking are usually found in Outdoor or Adventure stores...
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 09-11-2012 06:37
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15 mm spikes are allowed here for cross-country, there are 3 sizes anyway (9, 12, 15).
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| cactus-jack |
Posted on 09-11-2012 17:09
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miggi133 wrote:
cactus-jack wrote:
I'm not talking about spikes for running on a track, read my post. I mentioned ice. We've got about 4-5 months of winter and the roads are slippery as hell.
Maybe you don't have those inventions down south
Let me quote from my own text:
There are also some spikes for walking on icy roads to get grip which you strap beneath your shoe. but those are just made for walking (and thats just what they do... Terrible pun, i know) and not at all made for running...
The guy was right in light of you running with those strap-on spikes...
Furthermore, those spikes for walking are usually found in Outdoor or Adventure stores...
Ahem, you wanna withdraw that statement?
https://www.yaktr...roduct/run
There's a fine line between "psychotherapist" and "psycho the rapist"
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| miggi133 |
Posted on 09-11-2012 18:02
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cactus-jack wrote:
miggi133 wrote:
cactus-jack wrote:
I'm not talking about spikes for running on a track, read my post. I mentioned ice. We've got about 4-5 months of winter and the roads are slippery as hell.
Maybe you don't have those inventions down south
Let me quote from my own text:
There are also some spikes for walking on icy roads to get grip which you strap beneath your shoe. but those are just made for walking (and thats just what they do... Terrible pun, i know) and not at all made for running...
The guy was right in light of you running with those strap-on spikes...
Furthermore, those spikes for walking are usually found in Outdoor or Adventure stores...
Ahem, you wanna withdraw that statement?
https://www.yaktr...roduct/run
ok... But 40 $ is quite expensive... include shipping ( I doubt that there is an European retailer) and you are at a goo 55 $ for a little strap on...
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| cactus-jack |
Posted on 09-11-2012 19:47
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miggi133 wrote:
cactus-jack wrote:
miggi133 wrote:
cactus-jack wrote:
I'm not talking about spikes for running on a track, read my post. I mentioned ice. We've got about 4-5 months of winter and the roads are slippery as hell.
Maybe you don't have those inventions down south
Let me quote from my own text:
There are also some spikes for walking on icy roads to get grip which you strap beneath your shoe. but those are just made for walking (and thats just what they do... Terrible pun, i know) and not at all made for running...
The guy was right in light of you running with those strap-on spikes...
Furthermore, those spikes for walking are usually found in Outdoor or Adventure stores...
Ahem, you wanna withdraw that statement?
https://www.yaktr...roduct/run
ok... But 40 $ is quite expensive... include shipping ( I doubt that there is an European retailer) and you are at a goo 55 $ for a little strap on...
I found a pair today in another store here. Cost NOK250, about $40, which isn't expensive at all.
Besides, how do you expect me to run on ice without that "strap on"?
There's a fine line between "psychotherapist" and "psycho the rapist"
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 09-11-2012 22:02
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People from normal countries don't expect other people to normally run on ice, doh.
Edited by Aquarius on 09-11-2012 22:02
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