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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 28-06-2011 09:28
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It's a part of a documentary about Michael Rasmussen that's being shown on Thursday, so we will have to wait until then to see the context of the questions. |
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| Il Grillo |
Posted on 28-06-2011 09:51
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CrueTrue wrote:
MR: "I'm saying that I didn't cheat my competitors in any way"
He has stolen that from Ullrich who has said the exact same thing with the same words in 2007. 
Edited by Il Grillo on 28-06-2011 09:52
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| kumazan |
Posted on 28-06-2011 09:53
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CrueTrue wrote:
Interview with Michael Rasmussen.
MR: "I'm convinced that I won [the races], because I'm an incredible cyclist. The results that I have achieved have been won in an equal battle"
Journalist: "So you're saying that if those you have competed with have used doping, you have too?"
MR: "I'm saying that I didn't cheat my competitors in any way"
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Even if don't understand Danish, it's worth watching the clip. Rasmussen's expressions are gold:
https://sporten.tv2.dk/cykling/article...oping.html
It's amazing how this bullshit of "they're all on dope, so it isn't cheating" is being repeated over and over again. While I understand that Mr.Chicken won't make a step forward and say "yep, I'm a cheater", specially when he's kinda trying to rebuild his career, I'd appreciate if he didn't make it as if we the fans were stupid. |
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| markene2 |
Posted on 28-06-2011 11:31
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kumazan wrote:
It's amazing how this bullshit of "they're all on dope, so it isn't cheating" is being repeated over and over again..
While I understand that Mr.Chicken won't make a step forward and say "yep, I'm a cheater", specially when he's kinda trying to rebuild his career, I'd appreciate if he didn't make it as if we the fans were stupid.
Well let's list up a evryone from the top 5 who have been implicated in doping or have been suspended the last edition at the tour, shall we?
2010:
1 Alberto Contador: Clen case that has not been resolved yet.
2 Andy Schleck: His brother Frank was at Fuentes, dont know
about Andy though
3 Denis Mensjov: He was suspected to be a client at a
humanplasma lab in Vienna
4 Samuel Sánchez: Nothing actualy.
5 Jurgen Van den Broeck: Scores a 8 out of 10 on the UCI list.
This is just from last year. So i belive that the top contenders dope. It's not fair that Rasmussen has been "blacklisted" by the UCI while other riders return to top level sport. Why does he have to admit anything? He did his time and should return to a top team.
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| kumazan |
Posted on 28-06-2011 11:50
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markene2 wrote:
Well let's list up a evryone from the top 5 who have been implicated in doping or have been suspended the last edition at the tour, shall we?
<snip>
Oh! I thought that 198 riders ride the Tour every year. It looks like I was wrong, and it's only 5.
markene2 wrote:
So i belive that the top contenders dope.
That's very likely true. It still doesn't make doping alright.
markene2 wrote:
It's not fair that Rasmussen has been "blacklisted" by the UCI while other riders return to top level sport.
He isn't the only one. To be honest, I don't give a shit about it. And since he doesn't show any remorse, and even justifies his actions, I'd rather have him not riding at all.
markene2 wrote:
Why does he have to admit anything?
You just have missed the bit where I said I don't expect him to admit anything.
markene2 wrote:
He did his time and should return to a top team.
No, he shouldn't.
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| ponka00 |
Posted on 28-06-2011 12:00
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markene2 wrote:
He did his time and should return to a top team.
Is he even good enough to return to a top team? I mean, he finished behind Gabriel Rasch in a mountain top finish |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 28-06-2011 12:08
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markene2 wrote:
This is just from last year. So i belive that the top contenders dope. It's not fair that Rasmussen has been "blacklisted" by the UCI while other riders return to top level sport. Why does he have to admit anything? He did his time and should return to a top team. Not fair ?
What's not fair is that the others are still riding, not that Rasmussen cannot ride.
The situation is unfair to clean riders (yes there are many), not to Rasmussen. |
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| Rin |
Posted on 28-06-2011 12:11
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markene2 wrote:
5 Jurgen Van den Broeck: Scores a 8 out of 10 on the UCI list.
I doubt you can take this list for real or as an argument for doping
No indication what is really what and do you think Contador deserves just a 5 after being in a team like Liberty Seguros and being the only one who got tested positive in the Tour 2010 (maybe more but thats what the public know)?
I think this list is pretty much useless
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 28-06-2011 12:13
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Rasmussen hasn't been blacklisted. He served his ban and is now back riding. What's the problem? |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 28-06-2011 12:16
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It's not useless, it just shouldn't be taken for what it's not.
From memory, it was based on four main criteria :
- doping history/probability, etc.
- recent performances (either good or bad, compared to the habits of the considered rider)
- number of tests performed lately on the rider
- supposed importance of the rider in the upcoming race (not sure about that one)
Of course it helps selling paper and cutting trees to say it's a doping habits score. But it's not. It's a list that aims to help doping inspectors to know which riders to target. Not something else. |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 28-06-2011 12:17
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CrueTrue wrote:
Rasmussen hasn't been blacklisted. He served his ban and is now back riding. What's the problem? Those rumours that UCI kindly advises, for their own sake, major teams not to sign him ? |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 28-06-2011 12:22
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But that's just rumours.
Besides, MR hasn't exactly proved that he deserves being on a top team. |
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| jt1109 |
Posted on 28-06-2011 12:24
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Aquarius wrote:
From memory, it was based on four main criteria :
- doping history/probability, etc.
- recent performances (either good or bad, compared to the habits of the considered rider)
- number of tests performed lately on the rider
- supposed importance of the rider in the upcoming race (not sure about that one)
That was the criteria if i remember correctly there was also
- Blood Passport Fluctuation(how much difference between test)
- And something to do with suspicion of team of some sort something about how clean the team historically has been etc.
- And improved performance like Van der Broeck in the tour Geriant Thomas in RVV and Tour etc
It quite useful actually to gauge how the UCI test and what they are looking for. |
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| ruben |
Posted on 28-06-2011 13:04
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Thomas Dekker documentary was on TV yesterday. Says if people want to know where he got his doping, he says "There is no Italian link. If they really want to find out, search it closer to home (eg Netherlands)".
Other than that, Dekker seems very insecure about himself and seems to be very afraid to let other people (family/friends) down, which mentally seems to block him. I hope he can come back ok. But he is mentally really fragile, at least, in the documentary of past 1.5 years.
Long road ahead of him. I can see why JV doesn't want him in Garmin PT squad, his physical tests are not good enough yet and he seems to be doubting himself too much. |
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| Immolarious |
Posted on 28-06-2011 13:10
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I watched the doc as well yesterday, I think it would be best for him to start in a small team this year to get his confidence back. And prove to the big teams that he is still in a good shape. |
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 28-06-2011 13:18
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Immolarious wrote:
I watched the doc as well yesterday, I think it would be best for him to start in a small team this year to get his confidence back. And prove to the big teams that he is still in a good shape.
That is what he will try to do with Garmin-Chipotle development team
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| Immolarious |
Posted on 28-06-2011 13:49
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Immolarious wrote:
I watched the doc as well yesterday, I think it would be best for him to start in a small team this year to get his confidence back. And prove to the big teams that he is still in a good shape.
That is what he will try to do with Garmin-Chipotle development team
Ah didn't know that. |
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| tyriion |
Posted on 28-06-2011 13:52
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ruben wrote:
Thomas Dekker documentary was on TV yesterday. Says if people want to know where he got his doping, he says "There is no Italian link. If they really want to find out, search it closer to home (eg Netherlands)".
Other than that, Dekker seems very insecure about himself and seems to be very afraid to let other people (family/friends) down, which mentally seems to block him. I hope he can come back ok. But he is mentally really fragile, at least, in the documentary of past 1.5 years.
Long road ahead of him. I can see why JV doesn't want him in Garmin PT squad, his physical tests are not good enough yet and he seems to be doubting himself too much.
Watched it aswell, and I ofund it very interesting to see. It really showed how disconnected a rider can become from reality while doping and what it does afterwards. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 28-06-2011 23:32
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CrueTrue wrote:
Interview with Michael Rasmussen.
MR: "I'm convinced that I won [the races], because I'm an incredible cyclist. The results that I have achieved have been won in an equal battle"
Journalist: "So you're saying that if those you have competed with have used doping, you have too?"
MR: "I'm saying that I didn't cheat my competitors in any way"
... long pause
Even if don't understand Danish, it's worth watching the clip. Rasmussen's expressions are gold:
https://sporten.tv2.dk/cykling/article...oping.html
That reminds me of Indurain's radio interview a few years ago with a journalist who happened to be his friend. Off the top of my head it went something like this:
JMG: Miguel now I'm going to ask you some less nice questions. Just tell me the truth. If there's anything you don't want to tell the truth about, just say so and we'll skip the question
Induráin: OK
JMG: Is it true you and Delgado never got along?
Induráin: It's nonsense. Pedro is a friend
JMG: Have you ever doped?
Induráin: Let's jump to the next question
JMG:.........Miguel.......that's like admitting you did
Induráin: Next question
JMG: Miguel please just tell me the truth!
Induráin: Next question
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 29-06-2011 07:14
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Apparently Belgian customs have intercepted a doping stuff package shipped to Wim Vansevenant.
WVS retired 3 years ago, and was supposed to drive OPL guests during the upcoming TDF.
Say I was wondering what the next doping affair would be and who it'd involve. I'm a bit disappointed, I expected something more South. |
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