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Tour de France 2010 Stage 4 Cambrai - Reims
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| Kami |
Posted on 07-07-2010 21:36
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The fact is that today he was delivered (almost) perfectly and that it was a regular sprint, then why be angry? I understand that you can be angry if someone hinders you or you got a mechanical, but apparently he just threw his bike away because he couldn't win ...
Imo, but that's just me, a good sports just accepts this and thinks, hey tommorow's another day. He gave the mechanics some extra work with his bike and costed his sponsor a new helmet.
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| doddy13 |
Posted on 07-07-2010 21:41
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Kami wrote:
The fact is that today he was delivered (almost) perfectly and that it was a regular sprint, then why be angry? I understand that you can be angry if someone hinders you or you got a mechanical, but apparently he just threw his bike away because he couldn't win ...
Imo, but that's just me, a good sports just accepts this and thinks, hey tommorow's another day. He gave the mechanics some extra work with his bike and costed his sponsor a new helmet.
Angry or fustrated?
He doesn't have the form he wants and is clearly fustrated by it. I'd be supprised if he doesn't pull off a win in this tour, but at this rate he won't. He might find his form late, the worlds is a target this year. Who knows.
Next years World's circuit is easier than this years though.
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 07-07-2010 21:48
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Kami wrote:
The fact is that today he was delivered (almost) perfectly and that it was a regular sprint, then why be angry? I understand that you can be angry if someone hinders you or you got a mechanical, but apparently he just threw his bike away because he couldn't win ...
Imo, but that's just me, a good sports just accepts this and thinks, hey tommorow's another day. He gave the mechanics some extra work with his bike and costed his sponsor a new helmet.
Basically, you dont understand him, so you criticise him.
Cavendish is the kind of rider who bottles up his emotions during the stage, and lets it all out at the finish - i.e. 'controversial' celebrations or statements from interviews right after the finish.
Effectively today he made a mistake - he waited too long to make his move, and Petacchi beat him to it.
For a top sprinter its all about winning, so if you feel you could have won, but did not - thats annoying. It also definitively ended any hope of a green jersey - 1 of his 2 season aims gone after just a few stages. As doddy says, theres frustration over his form - and then dissapointment at letting his team down, after they had put in plenty of effort.
If he just accepted it as you seem to think he should have, it would be worrying.
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| doddy13 |
Posted on 07-07-2010 21:51
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SportingNonsense wrote:
and then dissapointment at letting his team down, after they had put in plenty of effort.
Indeed, for Cavendish his team is something that really drives him. He sees winning as a way of thanking his team, and always makes a point of thanking his team is post race interviews.
How many other sprinters thank their team after every win? Not often.
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| issoisso |
Posted on 07-07-2010 21:54
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doddy13 wrote:
SportingNonsense wrote:
and then dissapointment at letting his team down, after they had put in plenty of effort.
Indeed, for Cavendish his team is something that really drives him. He sees winning as a way of thanking his team, and always makes a point of thanking his team is post race interviews.
How many other sprinters thank their team after every win? Not often.
"Cavendish wars" aside, how times changed...
Petacchi has thanked his team for every single win, and when he started doing that (when he started winning) he was accused of being phony and repetitive, seeing as how nobody else did it.
How times change indeed.
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| Crommy |
Posted on 07-07-2010 22:15
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Am I the only one thinking that a major reason for Cav not winning is because unlike last year, the other teams aren't just letting Columbia form a train at the front, then just trying to hold Cav's wheel when he went. They're now disrupting the train, forming their own trains etc, and it's working.
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| itsmichael |
Posted on 07-07-2010 22:16
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i think HTC should ride for Renshaw, Cavendish isn't good this tour
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| Waghlon |
Posted on 07-07-2010 22:39
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Crommy wrote:
Am I the only one thinking that a major reason for Cav not winning is because unlike last year, the other teams aren't just letting Columbia form a train at the front, then just trying to hold Cav's wheel when he went. They're now disrupting the train, forming their own trains etc, and it's working.
Thats a reasonable theory. Im wondering what Brian Holm is going to do about this. Speak with even more broken english? Make an even bigger train?
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| Crommy |
Posted on 07-07-2010 22:41
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Amets Txurruka is out with a broken collarbone.
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| Lorkan |
Posted on 07-07-2010 22:44
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SportingNonsense wrote:
Effectively today he made a mistake - he waited too long to make his move, and Petacchi beat him to it.
I would have said he made it too early instead.
The problem of Cavendish (and it's only my opinion, I don't estimate I know everything about everything), is that without a great train, and a great team entirely devoted to him, he seems lost... I see him as the absolute contrary of the McEwen we knew some years ago.
If he's not in the top 5-6 positions when last kilometer starts, he's nearly unable to do something good, so it means that if its team is not perfect, he's out in the wind too early since he can't replace himself back, and no sprinter can resist on 400meters.
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| fenian_1234 |
Posted on 07-07-2010 22:49
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Stop talking about Cavendish, today clearly shows Boasson Hagen is one of the best riders in the world.   |
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| BouBBox |
Posted on 07-07-2010 22:50
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Crommy wrote:
Am I the only one thinking that a major reason for Cav not winning is because unlike last year, the other teams aren't just letting Columbia form a train at the front, then just trying to hold Cav's wheel when he went. They're now disrupting the train, forming their own trains etc, and it's working.
Nah last year Cavendish was really unbeattable not only because of his team. Even when the train couldn't be formed he was really taking easy wins. This year he really is weak.
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| Lorkan |
Posted on 07-07-2010 22:51
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I talked with a supporter of the Norwegian guys today along the road, waiting for the riders, and he told me he's EBH is gonna win something on this tour. He sounded like a wise man, so I think I'm gonna bet on EBH each and every day for the next 2 weeks XD
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| issoisso |
Posted on 07-07-2010 22:51
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Crommy wrote:
Amets Txurruka is out with a broken collarbone.
That sentence has become about as predictable as "Danielson is out of the Tour at the last moment"
Waghlon wrote:
Crommy wrote:
Am I the only one thinking that a major reason for Cav not winning is because unlike last year, the other teams aren't just letting Columbia form a train at the front, then just trying to hold Cav's wheel when he went. They're now disrupting the train, forming their own trains etc, and it's working.
Thats a reasonable theory. Im wondering what Brian Holm is going to do about this. Speak with even more broken english? Make an even bigger train?
He'll use the team cars as leadouts for Cavendish.
Lorkan wrote:
SportingNonsense wrote:
Effectively today he made a mistake - he waited too long to make his move, and Petacchi beat him to it.
I would have said he made it too early instead.
The problem of Cavendish (and it's only my opinion, I don't estimate I know everything about everything), is that without a great train, and a great team entirely devoted to him, he seems lost... I see him as the absolute contrary of the McEwen we knew some years ago.
If he's not in the top 5-6 positions when last kilometer starts, he's nearly unable to do something good, so it means that if its team is not perfect, he's out in the wind too early since he can't replace himself back, and no sprinter can resist on 400meters.
This is the way I see it.
I'm pretty sure it's a confidence issue. His reaction at the end is textbook of someone who is letting the pressure get to him.
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 07-07-2010 22:55
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Lorkan wrote:
SportingNonsense wrote:
Effectively today he made a mistake - he waited too long to make his move, and Petacchi beat him to it.
I would have said he made it too early instead.
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What you said afterwards was a generic view of Cavendish in sprints - you dont explain how you could possibly think he made his move too early today?
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| Lorkan |
Posted on 07-07-2010 23:20
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SportingNonsense wrote:
Lorkan wrote:
SportingNonsense wrote:
Effectively today he made a mistake - he waited too long to make his move, and Petacchi beat him to it.
I would have said he made it too early instead.
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What you said afterwards was a generic view of Cavendish in sprints - you dont explain how you could possibly think he made his move too early today?
Sorry I thought I was clear: Petacchi started at about 350m right? I'll watch the sprint again tomorrow, but already at this moment, Cavendish is alone, that means -at those speeds- that Renshaw work was already less efficient at 400/450m (maybe even before, I really have to watch it again with an upward camera).
The thing that made me told that is the sprint of Hushovd: I don't think the Norwegian is better than Cav on a pure flat sprint, but when Petacchi goes, Hushovd has to go to the other side of the road because Cavendish continues to follow Renshaw and begin to act just as there was only 250m left, that means sprinting right in front of him.
With a bit more of experience (he already has a lot, I agree), I think he should have deported himself to the left as soon as Petacchi was coming to follow him and only sprint by himself 100/150 meters later.
Here it just looked like he was sprinting like everything was fine, completely ignoring the fact that he's released too early. I don't say he's not good, but to me, he's unable to sprint by himself, he's not McEwen nor Freire. |
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| ABridgeTooFar |
Posted on 08-07-2010 02:32
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