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| Cordelier |
Posted on 02-11-2009 20:36
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Thrige wrote:
The first one who say, that Evans wont sign Euskaltel, cos' of he's not from Basque, owe me one! 
I know it would never have happened... but it would have been an awesome fit for him. Even if he went somewhere like Liquigas he would have been better off than going to BMC or staying with Lotto. |
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Posted on 02-11-2009 20:43
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Stijn_vranken wrote:
well if his team mates do better then him.
i don't think the team has much to do with it
It was a bad fit - Lotto expected him to carry the team, when it's supposed to be the other way around... the team is supposed to carry the leader - especially when your leader is someone like Evans. He doesn't have the temperment to carry a weak team - not many top riders do - he needs a good supporting cast to reach his potential, and that's something he's never really had... and he still doesn't. |
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Posted on 02-11-2009 21:08
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Cordelier wrote:
Stijn_vranken wrote:
well if his team mates do better then him.
i don't think the team has much to do with it
It was a bad fit - Lotto expected him to carry the team, when it's supposed to be the other way around... the team is supposed to carry the leader - especially when your leader is someone like Evans. He doesn't have the temperment to carry a weak team - not many top riders do - he needs a good supporting cast to reach his potential, and that's something he's never really had... and he still doesn't.
and he's gonna find that BMC
*Laughing Out Loud*
but thats still no excuse for his bad tour.(see the tdf 2008-2007)
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| Shifty |
Posted on 02-11-2009 21:25
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fenian_1234 wrote:
Shifty wrote:
Someone Loves Money,
Shifty
Yes, I'd never take a new job paying me more money.
I was just pointing out that he always talks big about needing to win the Tour and has many a quote such as "I'm tired of second" but when it comes down to it, it's really not his top priority.
I can't think of many instances that I wouldn't go for more money myself.
Everyone's gotta pay the mortgage(s) (<-- lol)
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Posted on 02-11-2009 21:33
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Stijn_vranken wrote:
and he's gonna find that BMC
*Laughing Out Loud*
but thats still no excuse for his bad tour.(see the tdf 2008-2007)
I'm not making excuses - it's just a shame, that's all - Evans had the talent to win probably 2 or even 3 of the last 3 Tours, but he just never had the mental focus or the team support to pull it off. And now he's making the same mistake with BMC.
I'll go back to Euskaltel again - they've got the best support climbers in the world, but they're never going to advance without signing a top-name foreign GC contender like Evans. If they could have worked a deal, it would have been a perfect fit for both. |
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Posted on 02-11-2009 21:37
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Shifty wrote:
I was just pointing out that he always talks big about needing to win the Tour and has many a quote such as "I'm tired of second" but when it comes down to it, it's really not his top priority.
I can't think of many instances that I wouldn't go for more money myself.
Everyone's gotta pay the mortgage(s) (<-- lol)
Shifty
It's that age-old question... what do you want? Money or fame?
The way I figure it, if Evans had signed a one-year contract with a good team willing to support him and had won the Tour then he wouldn't have to worry about money. He could have both the money and the fame. |
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| doddy13 |
Posted on 02-11-2009 21:50
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He can't win the tour, maybe the vuelta. But certainly not the tour, especially with the little help he gets.
In fact he was really lucky to win the worlds, a very well timed attack.
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Posted on 02-11-2009 22:18
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doddy13 wrote:
He can't win the tour, maybe the vuelta. But certainly not the tour, especially with the little help he gets.
In fact he was really lucky to win the worlds, a very well timed attack.
I'd call that skill, not luck. Besides, isn't winning any one-day event essentially as much luck as ability?
I agree that Evans isn't winning the Tour with BMC - but he has the talent to win it on a good team. Look at when he placed second to Contador ('07) and Sastre ('08) - they both had deep teams behind them - he had nowhere near that level of support. If had been on a Euskaltel-type team he probably would have been challenging for his third tour win in a row in '09.
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| kumazan |
Posted on 02-11-2009 22:27
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Cordelier wrote:
I agree that Evans isn't winning the Tour with BMC - but he has the talent to win it on a good team. Look at when he placed second to Contador ('07) and Sastre ('08) - they both had deep teams behind them - he had nowhere near that level of support. If had been on a Euskaltel-type team he probably would have been challenging for his third tour win in a row in '09.
I think that you're overrating Euskaltel a bit here. They haven't such a great team to compete in the mountains with teams like Saxo Bank, RadioShack, Caisse D'Epargne or even the "new" Astana. Of course it's better than BMC so far, but still insufficient for Cadel, he'd be alone in the decisive kms of the last climb, unless Anton definitely made a leap forward. |
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Posted on 02-11-2009 22:49
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kumazan wrote:
I think that you're overrating Euskaltel a bit here. They haven't such a great team to compete in the mountains with teams like Saxo Bank, RadioShack, Caisse D'Epargne or even the "new" Astana. Of course it's better than BMC so far, but still insufficient for Cadel, he'd be alone in the decisive kms of the last climb, unless Anton definitely made a leap forward.
I disagree - Euskltel's climbers are the equal of any of those teams - what makes them better is that they have high-quality GC contenders to race for - something which Euskaltel wouldn't have lacked if they had someone of Evans' calibre.
Besides, every rider is alone in the final decisive kms of a Mountain stage - the key is in getting them there with as much left in their legs as possible... which is what the team is for - once they deliver him to the base of that last HC, their job is essentially done. Cadel's problem is that his tank is mostly empty by that point when everyone else's is mostly full. |
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| mb2612 |
Posted on 02-11-2009 22:53
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kumazan wrote:
Cordelier wrote:
I agree that Evans isn't winning the Tour with BMC - but he has the talent to win it on a good team. Look at when he placed second to Contador ('07) and Sastre ('08) - they both had deep teams behind them - he had nowhere near that level of support. If had been on a Euskaltel-type team he probably would have been challenging for his third tour win in a row in '09.
I think that you're overrating Euskaltel a bit here. They haven't such a great team to compete in the mountains with teams like Saxo Bank, RadioShack, Caisse D'Epargne or even the "new" Astana. Of course it's better than BMC so far, but still insufficient for Cadel, he'd be alone in the decisive kms of the last climb, unless Anton definitely made a leap forward.
Sami Sanchez, would have saved him at least30 sec up the Alpe in 08, and how tight was 07 again?
I think a serious domestique would have made that much difference at least.
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| Stijn_vranken |
Posted on 02-11-2009 23:32
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I don't see sanchez being a domestique for Evans though
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| kumazan |
Posted on 02-11-2009 23:36
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Neither do I. That's like to say that he'd be better in Saxo because he'd have the Schlecks as domestiques. |
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| ursul |
Posted on 02-11-2009 23:37
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Stijn_vranken wrote:
I don't see sanchez being a domestique for Evans though
I don't see any one in BMC being a serious domestique for evans
When Nothing goes rigth, go left...
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| mb2612 |
Posted on 03-11-2009 00:10
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Stijn_vranken wrote:
I don't see sanchez being a domestique for Evans though
Obviously not realistically, but if he were at Euskatel 2 years ago Sami would have been.
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| Deda |
Posted on 03-11-2009 00:11
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Imagine Evans and Gilbert at full form in the Ardennes.
Grand tours aren't the only races around ffs
If offense is the best defence, does it mean that defence is the worst defence?
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Posted on 03-11-2009 01:20
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Deda wrote:
Imagine Evans and Gilbert at full form in the Ardennes.
Imagine the two Shleck at full form in the ardennes
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Posted on 03-11-2009 03:09
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mb2612 wrote:
Sami Sanchez, would have saved him at least30 sec up the Alpe in 08, and how tight was 07 again?
I think a serious domestique would have made that much difference at least.
Exactly! And not only Sanchez... he would have had Zubeldia, Astarloza, and Egoi Martinez backing him up as well. |
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Posted on 03-11-2009 03:16
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ursul wrote:
Deda wrote:
Imagine Evans and Gilbert at full form in the Ardennes.
Imagine the two Shleck at full form in the ardennes
They'd probably be better served by working on their Time Trialing.... let's face it, unless you're Eddy Merckx, you're either going to be good at Classics or Stage Races - if you try to split yourself between the two, you end up mediocre at both. |
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Posted on 03-11-2009 07:46
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Are you saying that Andy Schleck (or Frank, for that matter) is a mediocre classics and stage race rider? |
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