admirschleck wrote:

Man, that was 2 years ago. From that point, I can't see him doing anything that makes him 79MO. We're discussing his current stats.

atlanta wrote:
Contador.

Fl 71
Mou 82
Hil 78
ITT 76
Prl 76
Spr 56
Acc 78
End 75
Res 77
Recovery 79
Fighter 83
Cobbles 64

Ollfardh wrote:
Just to clarify Jesleyh, what policy you guys use for riders missing their key races due to injuries?

Maddox wrote:
82 - Froome, Contador, Quintana
81 - Nibali, Rodriguez
80 - Valverde
79 - Porte, Kreuziger, Talansky, Van den Broeck, Rolland, Uran, Aru, Betancur
78 - Pozzovivo, Kelderman, Majka, Horner, Mollema, Nieve, Pinot
77 - Peraud, Fuglsang, Evans, Van Garderen, Ten Dam, D.Martin, Hesjedal, Spilak, Costa, Niemiec, Poels, Wiggins, Roche, Kiserlovski, F.Schleck, Frank, Duarte,
76 - A. Yates, Reichenbach, Bardet, Kangert, Konig, Navarro, Moreno, Vuillermoz, Pellizotti, Rogers, Sebastian Henao, Monfort, Geniez, Morabito, Cataldo, Arredondo, and so on ...

Ollfardh wrote:
I don't follow that logic, you're saying he didn't decline from since 2012, yet his stats should go down (quite a bit)?

In my opinion, an injured/crashed out rider should not go down in stats unless he's at an age where natural decline comes in anyway. Did Cancellara get a stat reduction after he missed the 2013 classics? For Van den Broeck it's even more extreme, as the only race he focuses on is the Tour. I think it's only fair to keep him on his 2010-2012 level unless he proves otherwise this Tour. Based on the Dauphiné, you could even say his results are slightly improving from the previous years, as (I think) he never got a 3rd in the GC yet. I want to stress I'm only talking about the Mountain stat. So if you compare GC results to guys like Uran, who has a far better TT, hill, acceleration etc, you should take that into account as well.

I mean, in the past we had guys like Andy Schleck, Gesink or Hushovd getting a crapload of bad results before they got a stat reduction, and Van Den Broeck gets it after he has 1 crash that ruins his season. As I said a few pages before, there's just no consistency on this matter.

atlanta wrote:



Give Uran 79 aswell why you're at it, also give Talansky 80 he outclimbed JVdb. Drop Nibali to 80 but JVdB is not 79 imho. He still get 5th in Giro for me and top 6 in TDF.


Any ideas on Yates people? I think he should get 7 potential. No neo - pro does this well unless you're Sagan.

Ollfardh wrote:
I mean, in the past we had guys like Andy Schleck, Gesink or Hushovd getting a crapload of bad results before they got a stat reduction, and Van Den Broeck gets it after he has 1 crash that ruins his season. As I said a few pages before, there's just no consistency on this matter.

Ian Butler wrote:


Mathieu Van Der Poel does his thing pretty impressive, too
Yates 7 potential seems fair, though!
Talansky 80 MO isn't

atlanta wrote:


Sorry for this question if it sounds sily but has Vander Poel been good on the road?. I assumed he was just racing CX. But yes man he is a beast in pcm. He had 82 hill with 85 End.