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| Luis Leon Sanchez |
Posted on 23-05-2014 06:41
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Although I am not anti gay or anti gay marriage, one of my friends is gay, but I do not think they should be able to adopt children.
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 23-05-2014 07:30
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Luis Leon Sanchez wrote:
"Hey Sally, my name is Bob, this is my dad Patrickk and this is um my other dad john" Is that not a wee bit awkward for children who are sure to be bullied by others.
A good friend of mine has had two Dads since he was about 6-7 years old. It's never been a problem to me, or anyone i've ever known spend time with him, but that's only been at Uni. Admittedly i havn't asked what it was like in school when kids are generally more dickish, but i would be surprised.
However friends of mine who only had one parent have had more awkward times with it. Not through bullying but that it is far more removed from the norm of a traditional 2 parent set-up. I've never known a kid (and i've worked with literally hundreds of kids) have a problem with gay parents. If you have 2 parents that is normal, but one is not normal.
Kids want to fit in with other kids. If a group are discussing what they did at the weekend with their parents plural, then you can actually see the single parent kids feel awkward. It's a really interesting dynamic.
In a growing society of divorce and single parenthood i can imagine this attitude changing where having 1 parent is a normal thing. At this point the sanctity of marriage argument holds no power anyway.
I have no issues with homosexuals or homosexual marriage. I've had multiple gay and lesbian friends and they are no different to normal people. Who they want to bang is no concern of mine, and who they want to live with is equally no concern of mine. To exclude them from the advantages and systems related to marriage (usually tax and general legal stuff becomes easier) is, in my eyes, no different to excluding someone from marriage because of their skin color. If a nation suddenly declared that Black people couldn't get married it would be universally hated, and i cannot understand how the issue of gay marriage is different.
Fundamentally your opinion will vary based upon you experiences, knowledge and values etc. I've grown up in a liberal society which is pretty much open to most things. My parents didn't have any issues and weren't religious, so i'm open to things and am not swayed by religion. People who were raised on religious beliefs i understand and disagree with, but they are as much entitled to their opinions. If these contestable religious based opinions are forming governmental policy, then there is a problem (in a Western society)
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| admirschleck |
Posted on 23-05-2014 07:38
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TheManxMissile wrote:
If a nation suddenly declared that Black people couldn't get married it would be universally hated, and i cannot understand how the issue of gay marriage is different.
You can choose to be gay and you can't choose your skin colour. That's the main difference.
Generally, I am against gay marriages, gay parades and everything connected to gay. It's just not normal for me, but it's probably because I've grown up in the enviroment that teached me that it's not normal. Especially about gay parade, I can't see the reason to do a parade if you think that being a gay is normal. Why normal people don't parade then? Is it here just to cause the problems with hooligans/police?
If you want to be gay, just shut your mouth and bang/marry men. I don't care about that, I really don't. It's "normal" after all.
Edited by admirschleck on 23-05-2014 07:39
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 23-05-2014 07:42
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Exactly what Admir said. Gay people are so much attention whores trying to show us how normal they are, with doing not normal things. 
I could not care less about who they bang, but they should not be sticking it right under my nose and present themselves as aliens...
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 23-05-2014 07:52
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admirschleck wrote:
You can choose to be gay and you can't choose your skin colour. That's the main difference.
Generally, I am against gay marriages, gay parades and everything connected to gay. It's just not normal for me, but it's probably because I've grown up in the enviroment that teached me that it's not normal. Especially about gay parade, I can't see the reason to do a parade if you think that being a gay is normal. Why normal people don't parade then? Is it here just to cause the problems with hooligans/police?
If you want to be gay, just shut your mouth and bang/marry men. I don't care about that, I really don't. It's "normal" after all.
I dispute the "choose to be gay" argument. It's the same as saying a heterosexual chooses to be hetero, or to chooses to be attracted to woman Y but not woman X. It's not something i agree with.
Obviously i could choose to kiss another guy, but i can also choose to get a tan and make my skin a different color.
The parades thing i've never thought of like that. I guess it's more about celebrating their culture in a similar way to the Afro-American population has carnivals. It does raise an interesting point though, and one i will go away and look into myself when i get some time.
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 23-05-2014 07:56
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It is not a new point though, whoever needs to present himself just does not feel normal. 
And of course you choose it, i dont buy that i was born as gay argument.
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| wackojackohighcliffe |
Posted on 23-05-2014 09:09
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
It is not a new point though, whoever needs to present himself just does not feel normal.
And of course you choose it, i dont buy that i was born as gay argument.
When did you choose to be heterosexual?
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 23-05-2014 09:17
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I think at basic school, when i felt more attracted to girls than boys. So you think roman emperors and other antic people who were banging both boys and girls were born like that? I think no, it was their pick to have sex with both...
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| Schleck96 |
Posted on 23-05-2014 09:30
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I don't have anything agaisnt gay people, I don't care about what they do in their houses, just don't. What I can't stand, at all really, are those guys who actually look more like a woman than a man. I mean, it's almost like they are screaming at your face "I'm Gay!!!!". WTF man!? |
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| wackojackohighcliffe |
Posted on 23-05-2014 09:30
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
I think at basic school, when i felt more attracted to girls than boys. So you think roman emperors and other antic people who were banging both boys and girls were born like that? I think no, it was their pick to have sex with both...
Of course you choose who to have sex with but you don't choose how you feel about people, just whether you've got the courage/are in a safe situation to act upon those feelings. Did you choose to be more attracted to girls than boys?
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| wackojackohighcliffe |
Posted on 23-05-2014 09:36
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Schleck96 wrote:
I don't have anything agaisnt gay people, I don't care about what they do in their houses, just don't. What I can't stand, at all really, are those guys who actually look more like a woman than a man. I mean, it's almost like they are screaming at your face "I'm Gay!!!!". WTF man!?
Lycra's pretty gay...
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| Schleck96 |
Posted on 23-05-2014 09:38
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^And, with that, what are trying to say? 'Cause I'm not getting it  |
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 23-05-2014 09:43
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Schleck96 wrote:
I don't have anything agaisnt gay people, I don't care about what they do in their houses, just don't. What I can't stand, at all really, are those guys who actually look more like a woman than a man. I mean, it's almost like they are screaming at your face "I'm Gay!!!!". WTF man!?
Because they are trying to look different/not normal to present their sexual orientation. Which is actually complete opposite of which majority of their community is trying to tell the world, that they are not different.
Wacko i know where this discussion is going, i has several of these and we never agreed, this is just my opinion and you have different, there is no right or wrong in this i think.
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| cactus-jack |
Posted on 23-05-2014 09:43
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admirschleck wrote:
TheManxMissile wrote:
If a nation suddenly declared that Black people couldn't get married it would be universally hated, and i cannot understand how the issue of gay marriage is different.
You can choose to be gay and you can't choose your skin colour. That's the main difference.
Generally, I am against gay marriages, gay parades and everything connected to gay. It's just not normal for me, but it's probably because I've grown up in the enviroment that teached me that it's not normal. Especially about gay parade, I can't see the reason to do a parade if you think that being a gay is normal. Why normal people don't parade then? Is it here just to cause the problems with hooligans/police?
If you want to be gay, just shut your mouth and bang/marry men. I don't care about that, I really don't. It's "normal" after all.
So when did you choose to be straight? Why don't you just simply start being gay right now since you can choose willy-nilly?
I understand that ones opinion on gay rights is culturaly situated. I've met a fair few people who were against gay rights and a worryingly large portion of them where from Russia and other eastern european countries. But that's another issue.
I have a good mind to wright a comment where I simply take everything you say and switch the word "gay" with "black". But I won't, since that would be a cheap shot. A good and deserving shot, but a cheap one none the less.
Answer this; if two gay guys/women get married, how does that hurt you? How does it affect your life situation in any way, shape or form? You say you don't care, but those who are against gay marriage/adoption/human rights care the most of all!
To say that we shouldn't allow it because kids will get bullied is not a good argument in my book. So you say we should bow down to what bullies say and let them dictate the principles of life? What about single parents? Far more kids are being bullied because of having only one parent; why shouldn't we ban that aswell?
There's a fine line between "psychotherapist" and "psycho the rapist"
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| ShortsNL |
Posted on 23-05-2014 09:44
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Personally, I don't think your sexuality is a choice. At childhood age when you find out what you are attracted to, you don't make a rational decision. At that age I don't think you're even able to realize what sexuality is, you just experience feelings and go with them.
So for me homosexuality should be treated the same as heterosexuality: same rights (marriage, adoption, etc.) and same respect.
What you guys are referring to about unwanted displays of (homo)sexuality I think is twofold. On one hand, I can understand what they're trying to achieve: social emancipation and acceptance. Even when you have the same rights, if you're still disciminated against that's a bad thing, and you need things like manifestations and parades to try and get accepted, instead of being silently ignored and discriminated.
On the other hand, I do also agree that sometimes these displays just do more damage than good, when they turn into tasteless displays. A couple of men in speedos is fine, women in bikini's would be accepted too. But if those men start openly groping and deep throat kissing each other, we cross a line, because that's unacceptable in public no matter if it's two men, women, or a heterosexual couple.
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| wackojackohighcliffe |
Posted on 23-05-2014 09:46
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Schleck96 wrote:
^And, with that, what are trying to say? 'Cause I'm not getting it
I just wonder why you're so offended by the way people dress when you follow quite a camply dressed sport...
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 23-05-2014 09:47
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cactus-jack wrote:
So when did you choose to be straight? Why don't you just simply start being gay right now since you can choose willy-nilly?
So if i just started being gay now and bang only men, does that mnean i was born gay, or not? Because i know people that were attracted by woman for 25 years and after bad experiences with living with a woman started to live with men, also sexually.
Marriage is supposed to be place to start a family (which is done by process of baby being born, that is how we survive as a human specie in the end).
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| wackojackohighcliffe |
Posted on 23-05-2014 09:47
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Wacko i know where this discussion is going, i has several of these and we never agreed, this is just my opinion and you have different, there is no right or wrong in this i think.
That's how every single argument goes in these topics. People who actually take part in the conversation only tend to do so because they've already formed viewpoints.
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| wackojackohighcliffe |
Posted on 23-05-2014 09:49
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Marriage is supposed to be place to start a family (which is done by process of baby being born, that is how we survive as a human specie in the end).
So all fruitless marriages should be outlawed as well?
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 23-05-2014 09:50
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ShortsNL wrote:
Personally, I don't think your sexuality is a choice. At childhood age when you find out what you are attracted to, you don't make a rational decision. At that age I don't think you're even able to realize what sexuality is, you just experience feelings and go with them.
So for me homosexuality should be treated the same as heterosexuality: same rights (marriage, adoption, etc.) and same respect.
What you guys are referring to about unwanted displays of (homo)sexuality I think is twofold. On one hand, I can understand what they're trying to achieve: social emancipation and acceptance. Even when you have the same rights, if you're still disciminated against that's a bad thing, and you need things like manifestations and parades to try and get accepted, instead of being silently ignored and discriminated.
On the other hand, I do also agree that sometimes these displays just do more damage than good, when they turn into tasteless displays. A couple of men in speedos is fine, women in bikini's would be accepted too. But if those men start openly groping and deep throat kissing each other, we cross a line, because that's unacceptable in public no matter if it's two men, women, or a heterosexual couple.
Look, i was born with never ending taste to smoke mary jane, why i am not allowed to do that publicly and without fear that i will be sentenced. I am not doing any harm to anyone with it. You see? Many people wnat mayn things to be seen as standard and acceptable, Does that mean i should expect that to be heard and made a law??
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