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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 05-09-2011 09:22
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For me, no doubt that Cobo is full of dope, Froome very suspicious aswell, their effort numbers are just unreal for them, no way someone is struggling whole year and suddenly climbs like Contador.
The real winners and contenders of this Vuelta for me - Mollema, Leopard duo,Nibali, VdB. These riders has some racing evolution and are capable of constant good results if fit enough.
But then you see Froome and Cobo going past Nibali,Anton,VdB (one of the best climbers on the planet) like they were little children. If someone is okay with that, he is very naive at least 
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| Montolivo |
Posted on 05-09-2011 09:51
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
For me, no doubt that Cobo is full of dope, Froome very suspicious aswell, their effort numbers are just unreal for them, no way someone is struggling whole year and suddenly climbs like Contador.
The real winners and contenders of this Vuelta for me - Mollema, Leopard duo,Nibali, VdB. These riders has some racing evolution and are capable of constant good results if fit enough.
But then you see Froome and Cobo going past Nibali,Anton,VdB (one of the best climbers on the planet) like they were little children. If someone is okay with that, he is very naive at least
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| Lachi |
Posted on 05-09-2011 11:56
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
For me, no doubt that Cobo is full of dope, Froome very suspicious aswell, their effort numbers are just unreal for them, no way someone is struggling whole year and suddenly climbs like Contador.
The real winners and contenders of this Vuelta for me - Mollema, Leopard duo,Nibali, VdB. These riders has some racing evolution and are capable of constant good results if fit enough.
But then you see Froome and Cobo going past Nibali,Anton,VdB (one of the best climbers on the planet) like they were little children. If someone is okay with that, he is very naive at least
Another points of view: Some dope constantly and in small doses. The others dope rarely but in huge doses.
It really does not matter what think, either check their blood and/or blood pass for yourself or wait and see.
(This goes out to anybody who is participating in this silly doping discussion)
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| I_Mayo |
Posted on 05-09-2011 13:49
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
For me, no doubt that Cobo is full of dope, Froome very suspicious aswell, their effort numbers are just unreal for them, no way someone is struggling whole year and suddenly climbs like Contador.
The real winners and contenders of this Vuelta for me - Mollema, Leopard duo,Nibali, VdB. These riders has some racing evolution and are capable of constant good results if fit enough.
But then you see Froome and Cobo going past Nibali,Anton,VdB (one of the best climbers on the planet) like they were little children. If someone is okay with that, he is very naive at least
Talking about Anton, because you shouldn't compare other riders to him in this condition, he was ill during preparation phase. And also somebody already here mentioned, that he has lost weight and for some riders it's not as good as it could sound. For example you have Sammy, who lost a lot of weight during the last couple of years and because of that has become better climber, but there's also guy like Di Luca, who would lose all his explosiveness, if he would lose weight. And you can see similarities in riding style between Anton and "The Killer".
About Cobo. Sastre said, that Cobo has built his all season around Vuelta. For him it is good performance in Vuelta or bust. Also we already saw something on last stage of Vuelta a Burgos. The only argument we have here is that he is from Saunier and that's all. Somebody also brought up TdF 2007 and stage to Hautacam particularly, why only Piepoli and Ricco were banned, why wasn't Cobo then banned, too? |
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| CountArach |
Posted on 05-09-2011 14:02
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I_Mayo wrote:
Somebody also brought up TdF 2007 and stage to Hautacam particularly, why only Piepoli and Ricco were banned, why wasn't Cobo then banned, too?
I'm not arguing for either side here, because I don't like getting involved in speculation, but I would just like to point out a flaw in this. If what you are saying is true, then that would assume that Piepoli and Ricco were the only 2 people in the 2007 TdF that were doping on that stage. Which they weren't.
They were the 2 who were caught.
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| cactus-jack |
Posted on 05-09-2011 14:06
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I know I'm probably gonna get the entire British public on my back by saying this, but if you think that Cobo must be drugged, then what the hell is Froome on?
I know of Cobos history and that it all seems a bit suspect, but don't forget that he is a pretty good rider with or without dope. Froome on the other hand has no noteworthy results, suddenly he's climbing better then Nibali, VdB, Mollema, etc. He was pulling Wiggins up for the entire climb, yet he was still able to drop Wiggins before the finish.
PS: Please don't think I'm taking sides here, but absolutely everything about this Vuelta is just wrong, wrong, wrong! |
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| rorzcp |
Posted on 05-09-2011 14:39
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I have come to the conclusion that most people thing they are on dope. is it possible that not all of us know everything about their lives and maybe we never knew about this. |
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 05-09-2011 14:40
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Im steering clear of this whole crazy discussion that a rider must be doped because he is having his best race of his career. If you dont like it, stop watching, and stop accusing - or at least make a new 'Doping Accusations' thread or something, leave this topic for the ACTUAL race.
But, whats with the Van den Broeck comparisons? I dont see how beating Van den Broeck proves much this Vuelta. Yes he is a top climber, and climbing fairly well here, but he is coming back from injury - a worse injury than Wiggins' - and clearly isnt riding as well as he can do, and has done in the past. Form and condition is such an important factor, and some of you would do well to not ignore that it seems.
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| ruben |
Posted on 05-09-2011 14:41
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I think most cycling fans are unfortunately very narrow minded and strictly conservative.
I think suprises are normal, certainly in these clean times. Much more can compete... a little bit of form makes the difference |
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 05-09-2011 14:48
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Here's a replay in case someone missed it:
https://www.steephill.tv/players/720/d...mp;yr=2011
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| Deda |
Posted on 05-09-2011 14:53
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rorzcp wrote:
is it possible that not all of us know everything about their lives and maybe we never knew about this.
Apparently not.
In the end, there are only gonna be a lot of "I told you so"s, one way or the other, but that's what makes the world go 'round. We'll all continue to enjoy good cycling.
If offense is the best defence, does it mean that defence is the worst defence?
If I should die before I wake, I pray the Lord will delete my browser history.
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 05-09-2011 15:12
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Missed the stage, but I managed to avoid knowing the result and watched the entire last part of the stage to Angliru.
I don't like Cobo (for the reasons mentioned earlier), but at least, he's a lot more interesting to watch than Wiggins. Did that guy ever attack in a stage race? |
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| dienblad |
Posted on 05-09-2011 15:20
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Well, in the entire history of cycling a good race by some outsider has been suspicious for the public. Why can't a rider focus completely on a race, and get a good result there?
Yes, I've got some questions about Cobo and Froome. Cobo because of his past (the Gianetti-link), but he has showed for years that he's a good climber. So for me, he's clean untill proven guilty.
With Froome it's difficult to say: although I follow cycling for years, I had never heared of him before the Vuelta. Then you think that something is wrong. But then again: no positive tests, no doper.
So I watch this Vuelta with the thought that everyone of the riders are clean (just as the TdF and GdI). I love to watch this edition, because of the surprises, the small gaps, the stages, the riders, the good Dutchies (go Wout and Bauke!!), and I'll continue watching, even if the top 5 f the GC is dopes. If so, the system proofs it's working.
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| evilhumer |
Posted on 05-09-2011 15:33
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When Team Sky was being established Froome was one of the guys Brailsford and company mentioned as a possible British Tour winner, along with Wiggins and Kennaugh. So it seems they at least had a hunch that Froome possesed the kind of quality he is now showing. That being said, I am also very surprised by Froomes sudden progression. |
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| Wilier |
Posted on 05-09-2011 15:36
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Other facts about yesterday.
Cobo used the lightest gear of all the contenders, using 34x32
Wiggins used 38x32
Fuglsang, Mollema, Froome used 36x28
Poels used 34x28
As you can see Cobo used a much lighter gear than the others.
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| Deda |
Posted on 05-09-2011 15:37
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dienblad wrote:
I'll continue watching, even if the top 5 f the GC is dopes. If so, the system proofs it's working.
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If offense is the best defence, does it mean that defence is the worst defence?
If I should die before I wake, I pray the Lord will delete my browser history.
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| mb2612 |
Posted on 05-09-2011 16:30
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Nibali says he bonked on Saturday, then just wasn't as good as he thought yesterday.
 [url=www.pcmdaily.com/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=33182] Team Santander Media Thread[/url]
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| DJP19 |
Posted on 05-09-2011 16:40
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With relatively easier stages to come, will Sagan be able to clean up becuase of the lack of sprinters. I'm not sure he has anymore challengers and barring not to many break victories could take the green jersey with a stage win or two.
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| Dan_Grr |
Posted on 05-09-2011 16:45
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Is there a live stream? |
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| DJP19 |
Posted on 05-09-2011 16:47
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Dan_Grr wrote:
Is there a live stream?
Today's a rest day so racing doesn't resume until tomorrow.
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