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| cio93 |
Posted on 02-09-2012 23:20
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issoisso wrote:
They make offers to every single top u-23 rider. That way, some accept
Source?
Not that it is illegal, so if noone actually complains, that's not a problem for me.
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| issoisso |
Posted on 02-09-2012 23:48
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Addy Engels explained that's how the team operates.
But why would someone complain? I can't imagine anything wrong with doing that. Sounds like a very sound strategy.
If anything I'm amazed most teams don't do it and just stick to offering terms to random riders of select nationalities. Seriously, the nationality blindness is my 2nd biggest "HOW STUPID ARE YOU?" rant to teams right after teams that don't have any sprinters (when 50% of the season's races end in sprints)
Edited by issoisso on 02-09-2012 23:49
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| cio93 |
Posted on 03-09-2012 00:33
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Guess I saw some anger towards that strategy in your statement that didn't exist, that's why I went on the defending side a bit.
issoisso wrote:
Seriously, the nationality blindness is my 2nd biggest "HOW STUPID ARE YOU?" rant to teams right after teams that don't have any sprinters (when 50% of the season's races end in sprints)
Euskaltel not having their biggest fan with you then? 
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| issoisso |
Posted on 03-09-2012 00:36
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cio93 wrote:
Guess I saw some anger towards that strategy in your statement that didn't exist, that's why I went on the defending side a bit.
Haha nope 
cio93 wrote:
issoisso wrote:
Seriously, the nationality blindness is my 2nd biggest "HOW STUPID ARE YOU?" rant to teams right after teams that don't have any sprinters (when 50% of the season's races end in sprints)
Euskaltel not having their biggest fan with you then?
Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind - Albert Einstein
EDIT: But hey, at least Euskaltel were honest about their policies. They're not like those massive hipocrytes at ETA ("Only Basques at athletic. WHAT? a FRENCH basque? MURDER HIM!..........what an argentinian with a basque grandmother? unnacceptable, he's not a true bas....what? he's really good? WELCOME TO THE FAMILY KID!" )
Edited by issoisso on 03-09-2012 00:38
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| cio93 |
Posted on 03-09-2012 00:37
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Ah, my fellow countryman 
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| issoisso |
Posted on 03-09-2012 00:42
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Notice the first "foreigner" Euskaltel go and sign is a sprinter
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| kumazan |
Posted on 03-09-2012 09:00
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issoisso wrote:
They're not like those massive hipocrytes at ETA ("Only Basques at athletic. WHAT? a FRENCH basque? MURDER HIM!..........what an argentinian with a basque grandmother? unnacceptable, he's not a true bas....what? he's really good? WELCOME TO THE FAMILY KID!" )
That's not true, I told you the other time you brought this up. They threatened all players, French or Spanish Basque, who had played for either the Spanish or the French national team. Only Lizarazu's name came public though, probably because he was the only one that admitted it.
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| Wilier |
Posted on 03-09-2012 09:35
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Actually, Euskaltel best rider isn't even from the Basque country. (Samuel Sanchez is from Oviedo, right?) |
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| kumazan |
Posted on 03-09-2012 09:38
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Yup. Their policy is (was) riders from Euskal Herria or non Basque riders formed in the Fundación Euskadi teams. Sánchez meets the requirements, and so does Cabedo, who's Valencian.
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| issoisso |
Posted on 03-09-2012 18:57
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kumazan wrote:
issoisso wrote:
They're not like those massive hipocrytes at ETA ("Only Basques at athletic. WHAT? a FRENCH basque? MURDER HIM!..........what an argentinian with a basque grandmother? unnacceptable, he's not a true bas....what? he's really good? WELCOME TO THE FAMILY KID!" )
That's not true, I told you the other time you brought this up. They threatened all players, French or Spanish Basque, who had played for either the Spanish or the French national team. Only Lizarazu's name came public though, probably because he was the only one that admitted it.
I'm talking about when Deschamps wanted to end his career there.
And the argentinians are several by now.
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| kumazan |
Posted on 03-09-2012 19:04
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issoisso wrote:
kumazan wrote:
issoisso wrote:
They're not like those massive hipocrytes at ETA ("Only Basques at athletic. WHAT? a FRENCH basque? MURDER HIM!..........what an argentinian with a basque grandmother? unnacceptable, he's not a true bas....what? he's really good? WELCOME TO THE FAMILY KID!" )
That's not true, I told you the other time you brought this up. They threatened all players, French or Spanish Basque, who had played for either the Spanish or the French national team. Only Lizarazu's name came public though, probably because he was the only one that admitted it.
I'm talking about when Deschamps wanted to end his career there.
And the argentinians are several by now.
I don't remember him ever wanting to go to Athletic. Anyway, the same applies to him, as he played for the French national team.
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| issoisso |
Posted on 03-09-2012 19:09
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Yes I'm sure it would be the same, but I stick by my opinion that it's hipocritical.
Also, notice how ETA has zero problem with Euskaltel not going international. Hey it's not football so who cares, right?
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| kumazan |
Posted on 03-09-2012 19:18
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They didn't have any problem with Real Sociedad going international either. And I doubt they even would if it was Athletic. They're not in a situation to think about football.
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| Deadpool |
Posted on 05-09-2012 03:51
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issoisso wrote:
Addy Engels explained that's how the team operates.
But why would someone complain? I can't imagine anything wrong with doing that. Sounds like a very sound strategy.
If anything I'm amazed most teams don't do it and just stick to offering terms to random riders of select nationalities. Seriously, the nationality blindness is my 2nd biggest "HOW STUPID ARE YOU?" rant to teams right after teams that don't have any sprinters (when 50% of the season's races end in sprints)
Have to disagree with you on both of those...well, kind of disagree with you on the second. Starting there, I agree it's stupid that teams don't have sprinters, but I do understand not prioritizing them. Let's face it. No one gives a shit about sprint races. It's the reason Paris-Tours has completely fallen off the map. If a team has no GC guys, it makes sense to build a solid sprint crew, but the vast majority of teams are going to think GC/Classics first, then, if they have the money and spots, look at sprinters. Some don't even want a high quality sprinter for all the reasons that came up with Sky this year. Sprinters are primma donnas, and problems occur when they are your second option.
Speaking of chemistry problems, I agree with you nationalism rant (well, not at all in general, nationalism is a great thing, but that's an argument for another time, I meant with regards to cycling) from a purely abstract perspective. But this is real life.
1) Having the vast majority of your riders hail from the same country makes communication, both linguistically and culturally, as well as both on and off the bike, significantly easier.
2) If a team is based in a country, supporting riders in every way, equipment, logistics, training, etc., is significantly easier if riders are close to the service course. Team leaders, you'll deal with the extra hassle, the 26th best rider on a WT team? Not so much.
3) Sponsors want the team's riders to be primarily from the country they hail from. At least in the US, the mainstream media (on the rare occasions when they do report cycling results) don't mention trade teams. They list each rider by nationality (people in the US thinking cycling is the Tour de France and the Olympics, nothing else). It's obviously better in Europe, but for most casual fans, if Alberto Contador wins a race, they probably aren't making a mental connection to Denmark. For Saxo Bank, they'd rather have a Danish team leader, as that helps with tying the team in with advertising. They'll deal with Contador because, well, he's Contador, and people will know him no matter what, but, say for instance with the French teams, they'd rather have B+ French riders then A- foreign riders.
Plus, cycling isn't about throwing the best x riders together. You need a team with an established hierarchy and roles. If a lot of those pieces are fungible, wouldn't locally be the easiest/cheapest place to look? Makes perfect sense to me, although I do agree that certain teams (we're all looking at you, Team Carrots) take it a little too far.
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Also, notice how ETA has zero problem with Euskaltel not going international. Hey it's not football so who cares, right?
Also, I'm sure you meant Basque nationalists in general, but even still, it's kind of hard for the ETA to have a problem with Euskatel changing...as they don't exist anymore.
EDIT: Please add word 'functionally' before exist. Most estimates at the time of the ceasefire were that their numbers were in low teens...
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| Bosskardo |
Posted on 05-09-2012 07:04
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@Deadpool
1- Integration of different nationalities really depends on a team. HTC was very international and had a good atmosphere (I believe it was mostly because they used english and encouraged all riders to learn it(believe or not some really have a problem with it: big colonial countries like France and Spain)).
But teams that mainly use their home regions language have difficultys with integrationg foreigners to the team (spanish, belgium etc teams)
Agree with 2&3
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| Wilier |
Posted on 05-09-2012 12:37
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Löfkvist ---> IAM Cycling |
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| Miguel98 |
Posted on 05-09-2012 12:45
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Wilier wrote:
Löfkvist ---> IAM Cycling
If his leader at IAM, I may start like him again. He was one of my favourite riders before he went to Sky. I hope that he become the old Löfkvist so he can be my favourite rider. |
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 05-09-2012 13:23
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https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/caven...-says-piva
no shits sherlock....
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| Neilstrong |
Posted on 05-09-2012 13:39
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Keep digging Watson |
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| Deadpool |
Posted on 05-09-2012 14:56
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Who is left for Cav to go to at this point? Katusha had the money, if nothing else, and if I recall the Omega-QS rumors seemed to be off the mark as well. I mean...he can always remain at Sky, but...BMC??? Who else has the money?
EDIT: I don't mean to say BMC would actually sign him or even be interested. I'm just saying they seem to be the only other team that would work on paper.
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