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| ihavenofingerprints |
Posted on 19-05-2010 23:15
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CrueTrue wrote:
We have no idea how good/bad Porte is, but all logic says that he shouldn't be able to hang on to his jersey all the way to Milano.
And even if he wins, I can assure you that he's not going to the Tour 
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Saxo Bank has signed yet another superstar: Richie Porte 
Do you want to take the sarcasm out of that statement??
I think that from here, one of three things can happen:
1. Cadel, Vino, Basso and Nibali work together and get all that time back
2. Sastre and Wiggins Keep their advantage over the Vino group and make up the difference on Porte, or,
3. Porte and Arroyo fight it out for the title of 'Most Unlikely Winner of a GT Since Pereiro'
I agree that it's very unlikely that Porte will be able to hang on, but as we saw today, anything can happen, and while Arroyo has finished a GT, he's never gone into the last week of a GT in a position like this. I think Porte is in better form and has the bigger engine, but it remains to be seen wether or not he can dig deep enough to hang on. How amazing would it be if he did hang on, though? |
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Posted on 19-05-2010 23:16
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marble wrote:
Has a neo-pro ever won a GT before? I really don't think Porte will maintain his lead, but does anyone know what the best neo-pro result in a GT GC is?
Was Coppi a neopro in 1940 when he won the Giro? In 1939 he was a semipro, apparently. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 19-05-2010 23:18
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fenian_1234 wrote:
Looking on the bright side, when we finally hit the mountains proper, there could be some epic stages.
Sastre says he thinks he's mostly over the injuries
*rubs hands*
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| Crommy |
Posted on 19-05-2010 23:20
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khris wrote:
marble wrote:
Has a neo-pro ever won a GT before? I really don't think Porte will maintain his lead, but does anyone know what the best neo-pro result in a GT GC is?
Was Coppi a neopro in 1940 when he won the Giro? In 1939 he was a semipro, apparently.
Plus - that was Coppi. And it was also 1940 - times have changed, and unless he's the new Merckx (the only one to get close to Coppi), no chance
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Posted on 19-05-2010 23:25
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Crommy wrote:
Merckx (the only one to get close to Coppi
I see your Merckx and raise you Koblet pre-illness
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Posted on 19-05-2010 23:29
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issoisso wrote:
Crommy wrote:
Merckx (the only one to get close to Coppi
I see your Merckx and raise you Koblet pre-illness
I raise you Bahamontes without the fear of descending
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Posted on 19-05-2010 23:31
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Crommy wrote:
issoisso wrote:
Crommy wrote:
Merckx (the only one to get close to Coppi
I see your Merckx and raise you Koblet pre-illness
I raise you Bahamontes without the fear of descending
The one who regularly got dropped by Poulidor and Anquetil on climbs?
Whole different level
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Posted on 19-05-2010 23:32
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issoisso wrote:
Crommy wrote:
issoisso wrote:
Crommy wrote:
Merckx (the only one to get close to Coppi
I see your Merckx and raise you Koblet pre-illness
I raise you Bahamontes without the fear of descending
The one who regularly got dropped by Poulidor and Anquetil on climbs?
Whole different level
You've discovered my weakness.
I know next to nothing about the history of cycling 
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Posted on 19-05-2010 23:33
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And I raise you all Charly Gaul and dare any of you to challenge me.
I will note I've only looked at isso's post and assume this is about the best climbers of all time. |
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Posted on 19-05-2010 23:33
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If, like me, it's the history of the actual racing you want to know about, as opposed to the history of the race (like most people), I can reccomend a couple of excellent books.
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Posted on 19-05-2010 23:35
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issoisso wrote:
If, like me, it's the history of the actual racing you want to know about, as opposed to the history of the race (like most people), I can reccomend a couple of excellent books.
Like The Rider, sure it's not a historical book, but you pick up a lot of cycling history while reading it.
Plus it is the greatest book ever written about the sport, so it's a win-win.
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Posted on 19-05-2010 23:36
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Deadpool wrote:
And I raise you all Charly Gaul and dare any of you to challenge me.
The one who lost 20 minutes on most non-raining mountain stages?
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Posted on 19-05-2010 23:38
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issoisso wrote:
If, like me, it's the history of the actual racing you want to know about, as opposed to the history of the race (like most people), I can reccomend a couple of excellent books.
Definitely - Pm me, or msn
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Posted on 19-05-2010 23:39
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issoisso wrote:
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And I raise you all Charly Gaul and dare any of you to challenge me.
The one who lost 20 minutes on most non-raining mountain stages?
Yeah, that one.
Seriously, you can nitpick with every climber. Vinreque and Impe were always out in front of the leaders picking up KOM points, and never fought them. Poulidour, Anquiteil, Bartali, and Coppi were all pushed by their great rival. Pantani was doped out of his fucking mind. Bahamontes was scared of descending and wouldn't push himself because he wanted someone to go down the climb with (and back in the day their were a lot fewer mountain finishes).
Gaul was certainly his best in bad weather, but in terms of pure climbing ability, I'm going with him.
Also, if anyone mentions Lance in this discussion (or my spelling of rider's names), you are unequivocally an idiot. |
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Posted on 19-05-2010 23:42
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Deadpool wrote:
issoisso wrote:
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And I raise you all Charly Gaul and dare any of you to challenge me.
The one who lost 20 minutes on most non-raining mountain stages?
Yeah, that one.
Seriously, you can nitpick with every climber. Vinreque and Impe were always out in front of the leaders picking up KOM points, and never fought them. Poulidour, Anquiteil, Bartali, and Coppi were all pushed by their great rival. Pantani was doped out of his fucking mind. Bahamontes was scared of descending and wouldn't push himself because he wanted someone to go down the climb with (and back in the day their were a lot fewer mountain finishes).
Gaul was certainly his best in bad weather, but in terms of pure climbing ability, I'm going with him.
Also, if anyone mentions Lance in this discussion (or my spelling of rider's names), you are unequivocally an idiot.
Edvald Boasson Hagen is the greatest climber to ever have existed...
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Posted on 19-05-2010 23:45
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Deadpool wrote:
issoisso wrote:
Deadpool wrote:
And I raise you all Charly Gaul and dare any of you to challenge me.
The one who lost 20 minutes on most non-raining mountain stages?
Yeah, that one.
Seriously, you can nitpick with every climber. Vinreque and Impe were always out in front of the leaders picking up KOM points, and never fought them. Poulidour, Anquiteil, Bartali, and Coppi were all pushed by their great rival. Pantani was doped out of his fucking mind. Bahamontes was scared of descending and wouldn't push himself because he wanted someone to go down the climb with (and back in the day their were a lot fewer mountain finishes).
Gaul was certainly his best in bad weather, but in terms of pure climbing ability, I'm going with him.
Also, if anyone mentions Lance in this discussion (or my spelling of rider's names), you are unequivocally an idiot.
I'm still going with Pantani and Fuente as equal top best climbers.
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Posted on 20-05-2010 08:16
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53 Alexandre Vinokourov (Kaz) Astana 0:12:45
71 Andriy Grivko (Ukr) Astana 0:17:17
80 Gorazd Stangelj (Slo) Astana 0:36:11
84 Josep Jufre Pou (Esp) Astana 0:39:01
121 Roman Kireyev (Kaz) Astana 0:39:30
52 Cadel Evans (Aus) BMC Racing Team 0:12:45
99 Florian Stalder (SUI) BMC Racing Team 0:39:30
104 Brent Bookwalter (USA) BMC Racing Team 0:39:30
118 Michael Schär (SUI) BMC Racing Team 0:39:30
161 Danilo Wyss (SUI) BMC Racing Team 0:46:31
Love the fact that the strongest rider have the weakest teams 
No surprise that they had no chance yesterday.
Vinokourov said afterwards, everybody was looking on Astana but they weren`t able
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Posted on 20-05-2010 08:32
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Wasn't Ullrich a neopro in 1996 when he came in 2nd in the Tour de France?
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Posted on 20-05-2010 08:35
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roturn wrote:
53 Alexandre Vinokourov (Kaz) Astana 0:12:45
71 Andriy Grivko (Ukr) Astana 0:17:17
80 Gorazd Stangelj (Slo) Astana 0:36:11
84 Josep Jufre Pou (Esp) Astana 0:39:01
121 Roman Kireyev (Kaz) Astana 0:39:30
52 Cadel Evans (Aus) BMC Racing Team 0:12:45
99 Florian Stalder (SUI) BMC Racing Team 0:39:30
104 Brent Bookwalter (USA) BMC Racing Team 0:39:30
118 Michael Schär (SUI) BMC Racing Team 0:39:30
161 Danilo Wyss (SUI) BMC Racing Team 0:46:31
Love the fact that the strongest rider have the weakest teams
No surprise that they had no chance yesterday.
Vinokourov said afterwards, everybody was looking on Astana but they weren`t able
Cadel Evans always seem to be alone. No matter how good his team is on paper they suck. Vino's is decent I think. Grivko, Stangelj and Jufre are decent helpers that will keep up for the most of the stage. Evans don't have a single rider capable of going over a mountain.
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Posted on 20-05-2010 08:39
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But he may thought that before signing for such a team....
He had much better options than that one. |
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