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| Stijn_vranken |
Posted on 25-05-2008 12:09
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is that true?
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| Stijn_vranken |
Posted on 25-05-2008 12:10
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Deadpool wrote:
Okay, so he doped, I still don't lose any respect for him, and with only Pantani and Hamilton is that the case, what they did was superhuman, even on dope, Pantani's climbing style, and Hamilton's 2003 tour were amazing feats. But, as requested, I will stop on this issue, as the Giro this year is shaping to be brilliant, and I don't want to ruin it for anyone.
wel spoken B)
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| rjc_43 |
Posted on 25-05-2008 12:11
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Aquarius wrote:
People who didn't sign the ethical agreement and who won stages on this Giro : Gabriele Bosisio, Matteo Priamo, Pavel Brutt, Alessandro Bertolini, Emanuele Sella. 5 guys on 14 stages, should I laugh or should I cry ? 
I'm not looking for an argument, or to get involved in this, but i always find it amusing when people come out with "just cos they didn't sign this means they dope" argument. Fucking cracks me up. So what? Bettini hasn't signed it and he's world champ? Are you complaining about him? And with the awful testing procedures still in place, where false positives can be found regularly, would you want to sign something saying you are gunna pay back your wage for that year if you are found to be guilty of doing something you haven't? I definately wouldn't sign shit if i didn't have to. And they don't have to. So don't make it a big deal.
Or, looking at it another way, maybe its just cos the pro tour teams can't dope up as much the gaps between the lower quality teams, and the "better" teams have decreased. Or, look at who have been getting in breaks. Yup, pro conti squads, not pro tour. Maybe cos the pro tour are looking at the overall win. They aren't going to waste energy chasing breaks for no reason.
Sella's power (70+8 kg)
Where did you get his weight from? Cos thats one blooming heavy climber. I'd have thought he was more 65kg, but hey ho.
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Posted on 25-05-2008 12:12
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it was introduced as evidence in a court, the judge thought it was true, and it certainly is damning evidence
Also - Sella's weight does sound high, but if you look at him, he is a big guy
Edited by Deadpool on 25-05-2008 12:14
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| Stijn_vranken |
Posted on 25-05-2008 12:16
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Deadpool wrote:
Also - Sella's weight does sound high, but if you look at him, he is a big guy
a big thin guy? could be
if you don't weigh much that does garantee being a good climber, see rujano yesterday
he weighs 59 kg and he could not even follow rodriguez
Edited by Stijn_vranken on 25-05-2008 12:18
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 25-05-2008 12:21
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rjc_43 wrote:
Aquarius wrote:
People who didn't sign the ethical agreement and who won stages on this Giro : Gabriele Bosisio, Matteo Priamo, Pavel Brutt, Alessandro Bertolini, Emanuele Sella. 5 guys on 14 stages, should I laugh or should I cry ?
I'm not looking for an argument, or to get involved in this, but i always find it amusing when people come out with "just cos they didn't sign this means they dope" argument. Fucking cracks me up. So what? Bettini hasn't signed it and he's world champ? Are you complaining about him? And with the awful testing procedures still in place, where false positives can be found regularly, would you want to sign something saying you are gunna pay back your wage for that year if you are found to be guilty of doing something you haven't? I definately wouldn't sign shit if i didn't have to. And they don't have to. So don't make it a big deal. Me, complaining about Bettini ? Never would I !
I agree about all those false positive, just see Landis, or Hamilon who was unfairly condamned in the place of his twin dog brother. Not even talking about Armstrong's 1999 TDF when all A samples were EPO positive but B samples were nowhere to be found. 
Sella's power (70+8 kg)
Where did you get his weight from? Cos thats one blooming heavy climber. I'd have thought he was more 65kg, but hey ho. 70+8 kg is not Sella's real weight, I mean I don't know his real weight, it's just what we take for riders, as it's a convenient standard, to compare them to each other or from one point of their career to another point (imagine their weigh varied in between).
Two riders climbing as fast get the same power that way, no matter that they weigh as much as Cunego or as much as Backstedt. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 25-05-2008 12:26
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rjc_43 wrote:
I'm not looking for an argument, or to get involved in this, but i always find it amusing when people come out with "just cos they didn't sign this means they dope" argument. Fucking cracks me up.
agreed. having signed it, means zilch.
rjc_43 wrote:
So what? Bettini hasn't signed it and he's world champ? Are you complaining about him?
I am. a lot.
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And with the awful testing procedures still in place, where false positives can be found regularly,
name one.
rjc_43 wrote:
would you want to sign something saying you are gunna pay back your wage for that year if you are found to be guilty of doing something you haven't? I definately wouldn't sign shit if i didn't have to. And they don't have to. So don't make it a big deal..
in a related matter, Caisse fired Plaza because he signed it
Where did you get his weight from? Cos thats one blooming heavy climber. I'd have thought he was more 65kg, but hey ho.
all of the calculations that Aquarius posts are done in relative power: they're translated to a rider that weighs 70kg and a bike of 8kg, so that we can compare different riders. in reality, sella produced way way below 405 watts, while a lot of sprinters who got dropped produced far more.
it's relative power. meaning, it's adjusted for weight 
Deadpool wrote:
it was introduced as evidence in a court, the judge thought it was true, and it certainly is damning evidence
Vaughters admitted it's true and it was Andreu's wife that introduced it as evidence in court
Stijn_vranken wrote:
Deadpool wrote:
Also - Sella's weight does sound high, but if you look at him, he is a big guy
a big thin guy? could be
if you don't weigh much that does garantee being a good climber, see rujano yesterday
he weighs 59 kg and he could not even follow rodriguez
Rujano was 49kg in 2005. I doubt he's 59 now.
Edited by issoisso on 25-05-2008 12:27
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Posted on 25-05-2008 12:32
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Back to what matters: the transmission is on, and Sella is in the break 
Edited by issoisso on 25-05-2008 12:32
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| Stijn_vranken |
Posted on 25-05-2008 12:34
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issoisso wrote:
Stijn_vranken wrote:
Deadpool wrote:
Also - Sella's weight does sound high, but if you look at him, he is a big guy
a big thin guy? could be
if you don't weigh much that does garantee being a good climber, see rujano yesterday
he weighs 59 kg and he could not even follow rodriguez
Rujano was 49kg in 2005. I doubt he's 59 now.
they said yesterday on tv B)
or the belgian commentators are retarded ( could be  )
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| Stijn_vranken |
Posted on 25-05-2008 12:37
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there is still snow
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| rjc_43 |
Posted on 25-05-2008 12:38
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issoisso wrote:
rjc_43 wrote:
And with the awful testing procedures still in place, where false positives can be found regularly,
name one.
Rob Hayles got "caught" pre track champs. Imagine if he hadn't have been cleared and would have had to have paid back a years wage, and be given at least a 2 year ban. Purely for ACTUALLY having naturally high haematocrit levels.
Everybody makes mistakes, including test facilities. I'm pretty sure that cyclingnews had an article the other day saying someones test results were found positive some place, their B sample got tested elsewhere, was found negative, was sent to another place, was found to be inconclusive, and sent back to original lab, and found positive. Right. Confused? I was. How can 3 different labs get different results on the SAME SAMPLE. And people believe in the testing. I'm not standing up for druggies, just without them the sport would be a lot less exciting at times
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| issoisso |
Posted on 25-05-2008 12:38
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this break should be dead tired. 5 of the guys in it were in yesterday's break. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 25-05-2008 12:39
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rjc_43 wrote:
Rob Hayles got "caught" pre track champs. Imagine if he hadn't have been cleared and would have had to have paid back a years wage, and be given at least a 2 year ban. Purely for ACTUALLY having naturally high haematocrit levels.
that's not a false positive. the analysis was right. he just justified it. |
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| Stijn_vranken |
Posted on 25-05-2008 12:39
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issoisso wrote:
this break should be dead tired. 5 of the guys in it were in yesterday's break.
i don't think the peloton is gonna let them ride today
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| issoisso |
Posted on 25-05-2008 12:40
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Stijn_vranken wrote:
issoisso wrote:
this break should be dead tired. 5 of the guys in it were in yesterday's break.
i don't think the peloton is gonna let them ride today
yeah, 1:40 right now. they're not letting them get away. |
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| Stijn_vranken |
Posted on 25-05-2008 12:40
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is that karpets in the attack or am i seeing it wrong?
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 25-05-2008 12:41
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very good isso link's. Sad reading...about Pantani; He was best climber at the time and extremly passionate at cycling. Realy sad story.
Rujano slow riding was main problem for me yesterday. How to hell Sella managed to push all the way..and another climber Rujano was like Kirispuu. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 25-05-2008 12:41
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Guido Mukk wrote:
very good isso link's. Sad reading...about Pantani; He was best climber at the time and extremly passionate at cycling. Realy sad story.
read this one. it's much "better". sad story :cry:
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| SotD |
Posted on 25-05-2008 12:47
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Could the doping discussion move to the doping topic? It's annoying to read 5 pages whereas 3 of them has got absolutely nothing to do with the Giro... I'm here for the Giro talk, not for the dope... |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 25-05-2008 12:58
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Back on track: Does anyone have an estimation of when this stage will end? |
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