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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 18-04-2013 14:45
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Great sprinting by Santaromita. Scarponi never really had the wheel in the sprint. |
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 18-04-2013 14:46
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It was hilarious. Tiralongo and Scarponi just kept fighting and in the end they both got Sscrewed by Santaromita who just takes second wheeel and does a textbook sprint. He showed those phonies. |
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| Metriz- |
Posted on 18-04-2013 18:36
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kumazan wrote:
He had a very common disease amongst Russian (and Eastern European in general, although bizarrely it happens with Danes as well) riders, it's called "turning pro". They overcook so much their riders they are pretty much done when they turn pro. Not to say that you can't use as much EPO in the pro ranks.
A lot of them might dope, but I think you're assuming to much. As Isso said, the Russians a probably pushed really hard, and the Dutch receive very good training at a young age, so they don't improve further.
I think DCU does a similar job to Rabobank Continental, at an even younger age. But for the Danes I think it also comes down to having to move country at a very young age. Guys like Mads Christensen and Rasmus Guldhammer were very good at a very young age, but you can't improve your climbing in Denmark so they had to move to Belgium and Italy. It's hard to be in a foreign country where you perhabs don't know the language, with no family and no friends.
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| Bosskardo |
Posted on 18-04-2013 19:11
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DNF Domenico Pozzovivo (Ita) Ag2r La Mondiale
DNF Manuel Belletti (Ita) Ag2r La Mondiale
DNF Valentin Iglinskiy (Kaz) Ag2r La Mondiale
DNS Elia Viviani (Ita) Cannondale Pro Cycling
Anyone know what happened to them?
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| Miguel98 |
Posted on 18-04-2013 19:13
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Pozzovivo falled and had to abandon. I think his Giro participation is now at risk. |
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| Bosskardo |
Posted on 18-04-2013 19:33
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Miguel98 wrote:
Pozzovivo falled and had to abandon. I think his Giro participation is now at risk.
Crap.
Ah, well there is too much TT this year anyway. Maybe he will be on top form for the Vuelta.
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| Montolivo |
Posted on 18-04-2013 20:29
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Bosskardo wrote:
Miguel98 wrote:
Pozzovivo falled and had to abandon. I think his Giro participation is now at risk.
Crap.
Ah, well there is too much TT this year anyway. Maybe he will be on top form for the Vuelta.
They are saying he won't participate in the Liege, but should be fine for the Giro. Also Vuelta is also another goal this season for him. |
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| fosforgasXIII |
Posted on 18-04-2013 21:21
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Metriz- wrote:
I think DCU does a similar job to Rabobank Continental, at an even younger age. But for the Danes I think it also comes down to having to move country at a very young age. Guys like Mads Christensen and Rasmus Guldhammer were very good at a very young age, but you can't improve your climbing in Denmark so they had to move to Belgium and Italy. It's hard to be in a foreign country where you perhabs don't know the language, with no family and no friends.
Why would someone go to Belgium to improve his climbing? We don't have any bigger "mountians" than the ones you see in la Fleche Wallonne and L-B-L. |
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| Metriz- |
Posted on 18-04-2013 21:52
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fosforgasXIII wrote:
Metriz- wrote:
I think DCU does a similar job to Rabobank Continental, at an even younger age. But for the Danes I think it also comes down to having to move country at a very young age. Guys like Mads Christensen and Rasmus Guldhammer were very good at a very young age, but you can't improve your climbing in Denmark so they had to move to Belgium and Italy. It's hard to be in a foreign country where you perhabs don't know the language, with no family and no friends.
Why would someone go to Belgium to improve his climbing? We don't have any bigger "mountians" than the ones you see in la Fleche Wallonne and L-B-L.
You have hills. Denmark is pretty much flat. |
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| kumazan |
Posted on 18-04-2013 22:18
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Metriz- wrote:
kumazan wrote:
He had a very common disease amongst Russian (and Eastern European in general, although bizarrely it happens with Danes as well) riders, it's called "turning pro". They overcook so much their riders they are pretty much done when they turn pro. Not to say that you can't use as much EPO in the pro ranks.
A lot of them might dope, but I think you're assuming to much. As Isso said, the Russians a probably pushed really hard, and the Dutch receive very good training at a young age, so they don't improve further.
Uh? I only mentioned doping as a secondary cause, and probably I was quite benevolent seeing how most young East European riders come through the Italian or Spanish youth categories, where doping is quite common. Anyway, what isso said was also said by me.
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 19-04-2013 06:15
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Metriz- wrote:
kumazan wrote:
He had a very common disease amongst Russian (and Eastern European in general, although bizarrely it happens with Danes as well) riders, it's called "turning pro". They overcook so much their riders they are pretty much done when they turn pro. Not to say that you can't use as much EPO in the pro ranks.
A lot of them might dope, but I think you're assuming to much. As Isso said, the Russians a probably pushed really hard, and the Dutch receive very good training at a young age, so they don't improve further.
I think DCU does a similar job to Rabobank Continental, at an even younger age. But for the Danes I think it also comes down to having to move country at a very young age. Guys like Mads Christensen and Rasmus Guldhammer were very good at a very young age, but you can't improve your climbing in Denmark so they had to move to Belgium and Italy. It's hard to be in a foreign country where you perhabs don't know the language, with no family and no friends.
But you think these are only Danes going through it? Speaking about riders i know most about, for example Kreuziger moved to Italy when being fifteen or so, without knowing the language and country. Lot of riders did that and still does well after it.
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 19-04-2013 09:37
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Metriz- wrote:
kumazan wrote:
He had a very common disease amongst Russian (and Eastern European in general, although bizarrely it happens with Danes as well) riders, it's called "turning pro". They overcook so much their riders they are pretty much done when they turn pro. Not to say that you can't use as much EPO in the pro ranks.
A lot of them might dope, but I think you're assuming to much. As Isso said, the Russians a probably pushed really hard, and the Dutch receive very good training at a young age, so they don't improve further.
I think DCU does a similar job to Rabobank Continental, at an even younger age. But for the Danes I think it also comes down to having to move country at a very young age. Guys like Mads Christensen and Rasmus Guldhammer were very good at a very young age, but you can't improve your climbing in Denmark so they had to move to Belgium and Italy. It's hard to be in a foreign country where you perhabs don't know the language, with no family and no friends.
But you think these are only Danes going through it? Speaking about riders i know most about, for example Kreuziger moved to Italy when being fifteen or so, without knowing the language and country. Lot of riders did that and still does well after it.
Well, certain people react differently to it. Everyone is unique and you must understand that it's harder for some people then for others.
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| Atlantius |
Posted on 19-04-2013 09:40
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I think the thing about the Danes is that they are taken very much care f in their young teams getting a lot of help and guiding and when they move out of the country they lose a lot of that and suddenly has to figure out to do a lot of things by themselves that they had help doing before.
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 19-04-2013 09:42
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Ian Butler wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Metriz- wrote:
kumazan wrote:
He had a very common disease amongst Russian (and Eastern European in general, although bizarrely it happens with Danes as well) riders, it's called "turning pro". They overcook so much their riders they are pretty much done when they turn pro. Not to say that you can't use as much EPO in the pro ranks.
A lot of them might dope, but I think you're assuming to much. As Isso said, the Russians a probably pushed really hard, and the Dutch receive very good training at a young age, so they don't improve further.
I think DCU does a similar job to Rabobank Continental, at an even younger age. But for the Danes I think it also comes down to having to move country at a very young age. Guys like Mads Christensen and Rasmus Guldhammer were very good at a very young age, but you can't improve your climbing in Denmark so they had to move to Belgium and Italy. It's hard to be in a foreign country where you perhabs don't know the language, with no family and no friends.
But you think these are only Danes going through it? Speaking about riders i know most about, for example Kreuziger moved to Italy when being fifteen or so, without knowing the language and country. Lot of riders did that and still does well after it.
Well, certain people react differently to it. Everyone is unique and you must understand that it's harder for some people then for others.
Strangely, being the best cyclist you can be isn't the main goal for some people
I agree, it is individual, no that it is harder for Danes or any other country.
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 19-04-2013 09:56
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Maybe if their education is filled with Nationalistic bullshit
If they grow up: Denmark is the only good country, if you move, you will be unhappy... it could be  |
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| Atlantius |
Posted on 19-04-2013 10:06
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Ian Butler wrote:
Maybe if their education is filled with Nationalistic bullshit
If they grow up: Denmark is the only good country, if you move, you will be unhappy... it could be
I think it's more a case of the Danes really getting taken care of A LOT in the youth years and then the gap between being a youth rider in DK and Pro abroad gets really big.
The downside of a strong talent sector one might say. I for one hope we will see a Pro-Conti team focusing on Danish riders within a few years (several teams have voiced the ambition). That way there is somewhere "in between" Cult/CWO and Saxo - Tinkoff where they can learn to be pro's in a "secure" environment.
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| kumazan |
Posted on 19-04-2013 11:11
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Atlantius wrote:
Ian Butler wrote:
Maybe if their education is filled with Nationalistic bullshit
If they grow up: Denmark is the only good country, if you move, you will be unhappy... it could be
I think it's more a case of the Danes really getting taken care of A LOT in the youth years and then the gap between being a youth rider in DK and Pro abroad gets really big.
The downside of a strong talent sector one might say. I for one hope we will see a Pro-Conti team focusing on Danish riders within a few years (several teams have voiced the ambition). That way there is somewhere "in between" Cult/CWO and Saxo - Tinkoff where they can learn to be pro's in a "secure" environment.
"Secure environments" usually do a great job in stagnating riders' careers.
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| Atlantius |
Posted on 19-04-2013 11:35
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Kumazan: To some extent you're right, but I don't think the solution is to throw them straight from a very secure environment where everything is about developing nicely and into a pro-environment far away from home where everything is about winning/gathering points works either as the contrast is just too big. At least that's how I think things look from where I am.
In my opinion the Danish talents need a place where they can feel "comfortable" while learning how to live like a pro-cyclist. A stepping stone between talent-squads and the World Tour, which most big cycling nations have in a much higher extent.
Insecure environments have ended quite a lot careers as well after all 
Edit: Sorry for derailing the thread...
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| Malkael |
Posted on 19-04-2013 14:02
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No waiting for the Penultimate Climb at Giro del Trentino today! Nibali taking the bull by the horns and ridden off the front of the peleton with Tirralongo for support, while Evans and a few other hitch a ride.
Decent breakaway group now, numbering about 6-8, with Wiggins now trying to catch up to them solo. |
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| juszta |
Posted on 19-04-2013 14:02
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Let's get back to Trentino, shall we?
Mechanical for Sir Wiggo on the last climb and Astana is pushing in the main group.
7 km to go.
edit: Great Zabel by Malkael
Edited by juszta on 19-04-2013 14:03
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