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Posted on 05-03-2014 07:18
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Case is , that i think that state like Russia could benefit more from some sort of dictatorship, rather than western style democrasy. Russia is just too different in every manner
Obviously, I don't want to be rude, but Russians don't know how to live in democracy, they need storng hand above them.
But to be honest, in our Kloptocracy (yes, that's real term), we're not better either. 
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Posted on 05-03-2014 07:21
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Luis Leon Sanchez wrote:
Russia may not be suited for a democracy but they can sure have a non dictator leader. Someone who will listen to his people and not go against the whole world.
You dont think Putin speaks for his people? Majority of russians are behind him and supports hegemony like politics, after they took a hit in last decades of 20th century. Maybe you should speak with someone from Russia, because lot of people there for example still think that Stalin was one of the best man of the history and someone who really strengten Russia ( which is true from economical and superpower point of view, of course he was a monster, but russians tend to forget that).
Or that homophobic thing? Polls were made and minimal percantage of people in Russia think that gays should have any rights. Dont try to look with your western europe optics on Russia...
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Posted on 05-03-2014 07:21
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kubys wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Case is , that i think that state like Russia could benefit more from some sort of dictatorship, rather than western style democrasy. Russia is just too different in every manner
Obviously, I don't want to be rude, but Russians don't know how to live in democracy, they need storng hand above them.
But to be honest, in our Kloptocracy (yes, that's real term), we're not better either.
We're not better here? I mean, we have freedom of speech, freedom of demonstration. Something Russia lacks. To say we're just as bad as Russia is going too far, although I do agree it's far from perfect
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Posted on 05-03-2014 07:22
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Selwink wrote:
Didn't they also fly over Crimea with military planes? I believe it's forbidden to enter the airspace of another country without permission from the country they fly over. I might be mistaken, but I believe they did that.
That's the coincidence. Fact is that, thay had planned he maneuvers in Evening see for this date while there was a coup in Ukraine.
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Posted on 05-03-2014 07:23
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Luis Leon Sanchez wrote:
Russia may not be suited for a democracy but they can sure have a non dictator leader. Someone who will listen to his people and not go against the whole world.
You dont think Putin speaks for his people? Majority of russians are behind him and supports hegemony like politics, after they took a hit in last decades of 20th century. Maybe you should speak with someone from Russia, because lot of people there for example still think that Stalin was one of the best man of the history and someone who really strengten Russia ( which is true from economical and superpower point of view, of course he was a monster, but russians tend to forget that).
Or that homophobic thing? Polls were made and minimal percantage of people in Russia think that gays should have any rights. Dont try to look with your western europe optics on Russia...
99% of great leaders have been horrible people.
If they lose, they are tyrants, if they win, they are heroes.
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Posted on 05-03-2014 07:24
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Aquarius wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Case is , that i think that state like Russia could benefit more from some sort of dictatorship, rather than western style democrasy. Russia is just too different in every manner
Define "benefit [for] Russia". Depending which way you do it, your statement will be right or wrong...
Benefit their look of the international hegemon and stability, which is still more important for many russians than some human rights of all groups of society. I spoke with several russians on that topic.
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Posted on 05-03-2014 07:24
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Selwink wrote:
kubys wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Case is , that i think that state like Russia could benefit more from some sort of dictatorship, rather than western style democrasy. Russia is just too different in every manner
Obviously, I don't want to be rude, but Russians don't know how to live in democracy, they need storng hand above them.
But to be honest, in our Kloptocracy (yes, that's real term), we're not better either.
We're not better here? I mean, we have freedom of speech, freedom of demonstration. Something Russia lacks. To say we're just as bad as Russia is going too far, although I do agree it's far from perfect
I meant in Czech republic. 
Politicians and lobbists are overpowered here so much. Also, we lived in 40 years of totality. We also don't know how to live in democracy, that's why there is a big mess in administration.
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Posted on 05-03-2014 07:26
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kubys wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Case is , that i think that state like Russia could benefit more from some sort of dictatorship, rather than western style democrasy. Russia is just too different in every manner
Obviously, I don't want to be rude, but Russians don't know how to live in democracy, they need storng hand above them.
But to be honest, in our Kloptocracy (yes, that's real term), we're not better either.
We will not get better with Babiš and Zeman for sure.  ( i hope you were not voting for them, but that is your choice anyway).
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Posted on 05-03-2014 07:27
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I see. I don't know the situation there, but I believe it's much better in terms of human rights. I don't know exactly, but I believe it's obligatory to follow human rights in order to become part of the EU. I don't know how it is in practice though
@kubys
edit2: And I believe here's a nomination for the hot topic
Edited by Selwink on 05-03-2014 07:28
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Posted on 05-03-2014 07:29
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
kubys wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Case is , that i think that state like Russia could benefit more from some sort of dictatorship, rather than western style democrasy. Russia is just too different in every manner
Obviously, I don't want to be rude, but Russians don't know how to live in democracy, they need storng hand above them.
But to be honest, in our Kloptocracy (yes, that's real term), we're not better either.
We will not get better with Babiš and Zeman for sure. ( i hope you were not voting for them, but that is your choice anyway).
I vote for Babiš, but now I regret this, Fuc*ing liar. I hoped they would be in opposition, but I don't know if that's good, while they are in goverment. On the other hand, people from ANO in minister's seats are real expert, but how many people like them there were in our history... 
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Posted on 05-03-2014 07:32
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Selwink wrote:
I see. I don't know the situation there, but I believe it's much better in terms of human rights. I don't know exactly, but I believe it's obligatory to follow human rights in order to become part of the EU. I don't know how it is in practice though
@kubys
edit2: And I believe here's a nomination for the hot topic
Yeah, it's not that bad like in Russia obviously, but I just wanted to say, that everything is not crystal clear in democracy. 
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Posted on 05-03-2014 07:35
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Yeah, i agree with you here. Not all the people from ANO initiative are bad and i like their ministers too (except for Babiš himself).
To be honest, iam slowly getting into state typical for a czech citizen - being completely fed up with politics. But hopefully we are finally getting rid off that old garniture comming from stinky atmosphere of communism.
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Posted on 05-03-2014 07:35
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That's true. We have Wilders, who is now the most popular politician here.
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Posted on 05-03-2014 07:39
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At least in New Zealand all is currently more than under control and I dont see that changing as long as other countries dont get involved.
I admit I dont speak to people in Russia but from the point f view of someone educated in New Zealand they will all say that Putin is not good, he may be better than Stalin or Mugabe but he is very far from perfect.
Btw, please dont take offense anyone. As these are my views without any knowledge of what goes on with Russian people's thinking and views.
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Posted on 05-03-2014 07:48
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Selwink wrote:
That's true. We have Wilders, who is now the most popular politician here.
Our potential second biggest party at the EU elections are UKIP. Not quite as racist as Wilders, but prone to blaming flooding on homosexuals and calling for euthanasia of children born with disabilities. The UK is screwed. |
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 05-03-2014 07:49
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Anyway, Putin has to be laughing hard somewhere to western counties and their "actions" , or rather lack off actions and unity. Western countries say that everybody needs to talk, but they are against G8 summit in Sochi and dont wanna go there. WTF?
Meanwhile Ukrainian pairlament is not doing anything and that is worst for Ukraine. They should immediately start setting the new democratic election, because now they are just revolutionary coup without any mandate ( in fact Yanukovich was elected in democratic election,as OBSE stated, so despite his acts he is till rightful president). Also they have to settle down far right parties like Pravyj Sektor, because those stupid retards are doing what they want and i think that it can bring many probems for future of that state...
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| kubys |
Posted on 05-03-2014 08:24
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"Russian parliament prepares Act, which in the case of anti-Russian Western sanctions allow confiscate assets and accounts of the U.S. and EU companies and private individuals in Russia."
Loool, come on Germans, we need some Blitzkrieg to get rid of this scum.
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 05-03-2014 08:26
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You want us to serve as bumper state once again?
Anyway, these are just strong words from politicians.
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Posted on 05-03-2014 08:29
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kubys wrote:
"Russian parliament prepares Act, which in the case of anti-Russian Western sanctions allow confiscate assets and accounts of the U.S. and EU companies and private individuals in Russia."
Loool, come on Germans, we need some Blitzkrieg to get rid of this scum.
That won't happen. Too many oligarchs with interests in Europe for Putin to bite the hand that feeds him. |
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Posted on 05-03-2014 11:27
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Aquarius wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Case is , that i think that state like Russia could benefit more from some sort of dictatorship, rather than western style democrasy. Russia is just too different in every manner
Define "benefit [for] Russia". Depending which way you do it, your statement will be right or wrong...
Benefit their look of the international hegemon and stability, which is still more important for many russians than some human rights of all groups of society. I spoke with several russians on that topic.
I'm of the opinion, but I admit it's not necessarily shared by every one, especially in Russia, that the well-being of people, in the broadest sense, was far more important than the alleged greatness of a nation, or rather was a much more relevant form, though less obvious, of greatness for a nation.
Having a country (Russia, China, etc.) where a minority has a lot of money, and power, at the expense of most of the population, and has that system as the most efficient one to be a nuisance to other nations (in particular or more generally at the UN council) is just plain wrong.
Edited by Aquarius on 05-03-2014 11:28
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