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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 30-05-2014 16:34
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Jacdk wrote:
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Don't get your panties in a bunch. All I ment was that about half this thread is filled with posts concerning that stage. There is nothing that can come out of arguing further.
As i mentioned before, when someone brings it up again and make it seem like Quintana is a worthy winner, i am going to respond to it.
So lets cancel TdF stages..and give Froome a second title?
Why? ASO and Tour De France is a uber professional run race compared to Giro and something like what happened on Stelvio would most likely never happen in a Tour.
Giro has always been a disaster when it comes to their officials. And this year proves no different.
Lets hope..
My reason to say that is excuse here is ..What ever does not matter that Quinatana got some extra minutes..he is best anyway. This is not the additude for GT like Giro. |
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| Jacdk |
Posted on 30-05-2014 16:36
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Kritzo wrote:
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I really hope that this result was caused by Majka's stomach ache, otherwise I am pretty concerned for his Top 6 even!
Majka did a pretty decent TT , its just hard when Aru, Quintana and Uran are so much better.
I am pretty sure that this is not his real level. I think the stomach ache from yesterday has taken its toll on him, but I am not sure.
Or maybe a complot, so he would lose as much time as possible (still holding on to 5th-6th) that they will let him go on Zoncolan! 
No, honestly. I am interested in Lars Micahelsen's report on Tinkoff-Saxo's official website..
Hats off for Aru! What a rider. I like how Bettini gratulated him. Maybe some foreshadowing?
I agree with you but it seems to be the norm when it comes to Tinkoff Saxo´s riders lately, its always huge promise but then they always disappoint.
But Majka did have a problem with his stomach and had that accident at the beginning of the TT.
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Posted on 30-05-2014 16:39
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alexkr00 wrote:
Quintana is a worthy winner 
We will see next year at the Tour, Giro or Vuelta.
But at least we will see a Quintana vs Contador in the Vuelta
Even if Contador has a TdF in the legs. its going to be interesting. |
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| Strydz |
Posted on 30-05-2014 16:41
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Jacdk wrote:
Kritzo wrote:
Jacdk wrote:
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I really hope that this result was caused by Majka's stomach ache, otherwise I am pretty concerned for his Top 6 even!
Majka did a pretty decent TT , its just hard when Aru, Quintana and Uran are so much better.
I am pretty sure that this is not his real level. I think the stomach ache from yesterday has taken its toll on him, but I am not sure.
Or maybe a complot, so he would lose as much time as possible (still holding on to 5th-6th) that they will let him go on Zoncolan!
No, honestly. I am interested in Lars Micahelsen's report on Tinkoff-Saxo's official website..
Hats off for Aru! What a rider. I like how Bettini gratulated him. Maybe some foreshadowing?
I agree with you but it seems to be the norm when it comes to Tinkoff Saxo´s riders lately, its always huge promise but then they always disappoint.
But Majka did have a problem with his stomach and had that accident at the beginning of the TT.
So that most definitely had to have a impact.
I think this is about where Majka should be, he is a good up and coming rider who is riding a great race but has come up against some of the real big guns of the next generation. He certainly has not been disappointing
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Jacdk wrote:
Kritzo wrote:
Jacdk wrote:
Kritzo wrote:
I really hope that this result was caused by Majka's stomach ache, otherwise I am pretty concerned for his Top 6 even!
Majka did a pretty decent TT , its just hard when Aru, Quintana and Uran are so much better.
I am pretty sure that this is not his real level. I think the stomach ache from yesterday has taken its toll on him, but I am not sure.
Or maybe a complot, so he would lose as much time as possible (still holding on to 5th-6th) that they will let him go on Zoncolan!
No, honestly. I am interested in Lars Micahelsen's report on Tinkoff-Saxo's official website..
Hats off for Aru! What a rider. I like how Bettini gratulated him. Maybe some foreshadowing?
I agree with you but it seems to be the norm when it comes to Tinkoff Saxo´s riders lately, its always huge promise but then they always disappoint.
But Majka did have a problem with his stomach and had that accident at the beginning of the TT.
So that most definitely had to have a impact.
But is attacking really Majka's style?
As a Dane you get bombarded with everything Tinkoff-Saxo if you follow the national TV2 - and I cannot recall the last time Majka has attacked and succeeded.
No pun intended, but I find him a bit overhyped. Sure, he is a great rider, and will probably get a few top 5 GTs - but I don't see him winning the GC ever. Even a stage win seems rather unlikely. |
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| Nin1388 |
Posted on 30-05-2014 16:43
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Jacdk wrote:
alexkr00 wrote:
Quintana is a worthy winner
We will see next year at the Tour, Giro or Vuelta.
But at least we will see a Quintana vs Contador in the Vuelta
Even if Contador has a TdF in the legs. its going to be interesting.
I think after winning Giro, Quintana should announce that he is going for Giro-TdF double.
Will scare the hell out of Sky and Froome, who knows they have this year's TdF in bag. Quintana is the only guy who can stop them. |
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| Kritzo |
Posted on 30-05-2014 16:44
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That is some serious W/kg! But it is still nowhere near Froome with 6,5 W/kg 
I think that Uran will get seriuosly distanced tomorrow. Aru will take the 2nd spot on that podium, and I think he will battle it out with Quintana on Zoncolan. Quintana might even give him the win.
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| Strydz |
Posted on 30-05-2014 16:44
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Jacdk wrote:
alexkr00 wrote:
Quintana is a worthy winner
We will see next year at the Tour, Giro or Vuelta.
But at least we will see a Quintana vs Contador in the Vuelta
Even if Contador has a TdF in the legs. its going to be interesting.
I really hope they decide against taking Quintana to the Vuelta, it was a great choice to bring him to the Giro instead of aiming him at the Tour this year but don't see the need to throw him into another GT this season. He is still young and shouldn't be pushed that hard yet.
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| Jacdk |
Posted on 30-05-2014 16:51
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Tjoertszc wrote:
But is attacking really Majka's style?
As a Dane you get bombarded with everything Tinkoff-Saxo if you follow the national TV2 - and I cannot recall the last time Majka has attacked and succeeded.
No pun intended, but I find him a bit overhyped. Sure, he is a great rider, and will probably get a few top 5 GTs - but I don't see him winning the GC ever. Even a stage win seems rather unlikely.
Most of Tinkoff-Saxo Bank and Riis is overhyped, to be honest without Contador and Kreuziger who do they have who can win anything?
But Majka , no he doesn't seem to be a rider who can attack, he seems more like Evans who can stay close and keep tempo, but doesn't have that last gear like Quintana and Contador where they attack and really attack.
In my opinion Tinkoff need to start thinking more like a outsider team and not a favorite, and get young riders like Aru. |
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| Kritzo |
Posted on 30-05-2014 16:52
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Tjoertszc wrote:
Spoiler Jacdk wrote:
Kritzo wrote:
Jacdk wrote:
Kritzo wrote:
I really hope that this result was caused by Majka's stomach ache, otherwise I am pretty concerned for his Top 6 even!
Majka did a pretty decent TT , its just hard when Aru, Quintana and Uran are so much better.
I am pretty sure that this is not his real level. I think the stomach ache from yesterday has taken its toll on him, but I am not sure.
Or maybe a complot, so he would lose as much time as possible (still holding on to 5th-6th) that they will let him go on Zoncolan! 
No, honestly. I am interested in Lars Micahelsen's report on Tinkoff-Saxo's official website..
Hats off for Aru! What a rider. I like how Bettini gratulated him. Maybe some foreshadowing?
I agree with you but it seems to be the norm when it comes to Tinkoff Saxo´s riders lately, its always huge promise but then they always disappoint.
But Majka did have a problem with his stomach and had that accident at the beginning of the TT.
So that most definitely had to have a impact.
But is attacking really Majka's style?
As a Dane you get bombarded with everything Tinkoff-Saxo if you follow the national TV2 - and I cannot recall the last time Majka has attacked and succeeded.
No pun intended, but I find him a bit overhyped. Sure, he is a great rider, and will probably get a few top 5 GTs - but I don't see him winning the GC ever. Even a stage win seems rather unlikely.
No, he has not succeded indeed. But all the other GC contenders have followed his every attack, because he was a danger in the Top GC. Now that he has a lot more space, I think we will see him attack, and he will get a gap. If he can hold on to it, I am not sure, but I hope he gets rid of his stomach ache for tomorrow.
If he would have gotten all the time and space that Rolland had, I think he would have had a good chance of winning a stage.
But that is just speculations.. I am really excited for tomorrows stage. Shame I have to go to a birthday, but I will probably record it nevertheless..
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Posted on 30-05-2014 16:53
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WTF Aru....  |
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| Jacdk |
Posted on 30-05-2014 16:56
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Nin1388 wrote:
Jacdk wrote:
alexkr00 wrote:
Quintana is a worthy winner
We will see next year at the Tour, Giro or Vuelta.
But at least we will see a Quintana vs Contador in the Vuelta
Even if Contador has a TdF in the legs. its going to be interesting.
I think after winning Giro, Quintana should announce that he is going for Giro-TdF double.
Will scare the hell out of Sky and Froome, who knows they have this year's TdF in bag. Quintana is the only guy who can stop them.
No Rider without extra help can win two GT´s that close.
A Giro/Vuelta is also highly unlikely but more within the bounds of reason then a Giro/TdF
After all TdF is no walk in the park and there is still Nibali, Valverde, Froome, Contador, Kreuziger and they are after all still some of the best in the world.
And Quintana is the only one who can stop Froome? ehmm, Contador is there 
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| cio93 |
Posted on 30-05-2014 16:57
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Kritzo wrote:
That is some serious W/kg! But it is still nowhere near Froome with 6,5 W/kg
I think that Uran will get seriuosly distanced tomorrow. Aru will take the 2nd spot on that podium, and I think he will battle it out with Quintana on Zoncolan. Quintana might even give him the win.
Quintana knows how to stay below 6W/kg
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| valverde321 |
Posted on 30-05-2014 16:59
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Strydz wrote:
Jacdk wrote:
alexkr00 wrote:
Quintana is a worthy winner
We will see next year at the Tour, Giro or Vuelta.
But at least we will see a Quintana vs Contador in the Vuelta
Even if Contador has a TdF in the legs. its going to be interesting.
I really hope they decide against taking Quintana to the Vuelta, it was a great choice to bring him to the Giro instead of aiming him at the Tour this year but don't see the need to throw him into another GT this season. He is still young and shouldn't be pushed that hard yet.
I disagree. Riders in cycling are not often at the top of the sport for more than 5 years. Quintana is clearly one of the Top 3 climbers in the world atm and I think he should take advantage of that while he can.
Also, Contador did the Giro-Vuelta Double in 2008 at the age of 25, and Quintana will be 24.5 at the time of the Vuelta so I dont necessarily think its too early, or will stop his growth as a rider or anything like that.
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| Strydz |
Posted on 30-05-2014 17:04
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valverde321 wrote:
Strydz wrote:
Jacdk wrote:
alexkr00 wrote:
Quintana is a worthy winner
We will see next year at the Tour, Giro or Vuelta.
But at least we will see a Quintana vs Contador in the Vuelta
Even if Contador has a TdF in the legs. its going to be interesting.
I really hope they decide against taking Quintana to the Vuelta, it was a great choice to bring him to the Giro instead of aiming him at the Tour this year but don't see the need to throw him into another GT this season. He is still young and shouldn't be pushed that hard yet.
I disagree. Riders in cycling are not often at the top of the sport for more than 5 years. Quintana is clearly one of the Top 3 climbers in the world atm and I think he should take advantage of that while he can.
Also, Contador did the Giro-Vuelta Double in 2008 at the age of 25, and Quintana will be 24.5 at the time of the Vuelta so I dont necessarily think its too early, or will stop his growth as a rider or anything like that.
2008 Contador also had other help, not saying Quintana isn't "preparing" but riders a few seasons ago recovered alot quicker.
By the way I do get your point about Quintana being able to do 2 GT's in one season and some can but I do like seeing riders being given time to grow. Either way he is one cracking cyclist
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| Kritzo |
Posted on 30-05-2014 17:13
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Yep. As I feared. He still suffered from those stomach aches.. 
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 30-05-2014 17:20
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valverde321 wrote:
Strydz wrote:
Jacdk wrote:
alexkr00 wrote:
Quintana is a worthy winner
We will see next year at the Tour, Giro or Vuelta.
But at least we will see a Quintana vs Contador in the Vuelta
Even if Contador has a TdF in the legs. its going to be interesting.
I really hope they decide against taking Quintana to the Vuelta, it was a great choice to bring him to the Giro instead of aiming him at the Tour this year but don't see the need to throw him into another GT this season. He is still young and shouldn't be pushed that hard yet.
I disagree. Riders in cycling are not often at the top of the sport for more than 5 years. Quintana is clearly one of the Top 3 climbers in the world atm and I think he should take advantage of that while he can.
Also, Contador did the Giro-Vuelta Double in 2008 at the age of 25, and Quintana will be 24.5 at the time of the Vuelta so I dont necessarily think its too early, or will stop his growth as a rider or anything like that.
I agree. I don't think it's too early for him to do two Grand Tours in one year. This is already his third Grand Tour.
I think he should go to the Vuelta. Doing the Tour after the Giro would be a big mistake. We've seen that it's almost impossible for riders to ride a strong Giro and then do the same in the Tour nowadays.
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| Miguel98 |
Posted on 30-05-2014 17:24
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Quintana is by far the strongest. Amazing. |
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| admirschleck |
Posted on 30-05-2014 17:30
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In my honest opinion, Aru is the only one that can be compared to Quintana, at the moment (not saying that they're on same level or anything). He is bad at TTs and wasn't a team leader in first ~10 days and that's probably what caused this big margin.
Of course, I don't say that he would be better than Quintana in GC now, but he would be 2nd and that's for sure. Shame, but still an amazing race from this young Italian. Definitely future Giro winner.
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Posted on 30-05-2014 17:33
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Kritzo wrote:
That is some serious W/kg! But it is still nowhere near Froome with 6,5 W/kg
Come on, don't be as stupid as that.
Quintana did 5.99 W/kg for 55 minutes, while Froome's power output at 6.5 w/kg for 21:41 over the 7.85 km climbing portion, and 6.37 w/kg for 23:14 over the full 8.9 km
Froome's performance was in the first week of the Tour, while Quintanas performance here was in the very end of the race.
As far as I remember Quintana did more than 6 W/kg in one of the last stages at the Tour last year aswell. Stop throwing numbers around like without looking at the bigger picture.
To the discussion about Majka:
He had some problems with his stomach, but right now I don't see him winning a GT at the moment, but he has improved a lot the last few years. If he can pull off a few more watts / kg, it might be a different story. You never know. He is still quite young. Don't count him out yet.
About Saxo Tinkoff with riders like Contador / Kreuziger. I would still say they have a quite descent team in the GTs. Both Majka and Roche will be able to get in top-5, Rogers, CAS, Zaugg, Hernandez, all decent riders to support them in the mountains.
If you take away Quintana and Valverde from Moviestar, what have they got?
If you take away Froome, Porte from Sky, what have they got?
(And Wiggins seems to leave to Orica)
I don't really see why and how you can argue like that? You don't get anywhere.
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