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| depeche92 |
Posted on 01-06-2014 21:38
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Ulissi 77 is too high :
75 MO 77 HIL and good acc |
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| gotlandrules |
Posted on 01-06-2014 21:39
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If only there was a consistency stat, would make it so much better. Duarte is a 79-80 climber with 50 consistency if that excisted. Now he's impossible to get right.
Ulissi should be closer to 75/76MO 79HI then 77MO 78HI IMO.
Kelderman is a tough one, he was weaker then the other top-7 in the big mountains, but its harsh to give him 76MO. 77 with the others at 78-79? And is he really that good of a TTer? i know he was a TTer a few years ago, but seems to me like he's lost a bit there while focusing on his climbing? so maybe 73ish is more accurate?
I'm going by ungurus list btw. |
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| gotlandrules |
Posted on 01-06-2014 21:41
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depeche92 wrote:
Ulissi 77 is too high :
75 MO 77 HIL and good acc
77 HIL feels too low though. |
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| EwanWilson |
Posted on 01-06-2014 21:48
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Why is Pete Kennaugh only 75 MO?? He deserves at least 77
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| admirschleck |
Posted on 01-06-2014 21:49
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EwanWilson wrote:
Why is Pete Kennaugh only 75 MO?? He deserves at least 77
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 01-06-2014 21:55
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Unguru30 wrote:
Quintana-82 MO, 71 TT
Uran-79 MO, 75 TT
Aru-79 MO, 68 TT
Majka-78 MO, 72 TT
Pozzovivo-78 MO, 73 TT
Rolland-78 MO, 69 TT
Evans-77 MO, 74 TT, very low REC
Kelderman-77 MO, 75 TT, low REC
Kiserlovski-77 MO, 69 TT
Hesjedal-77 MO, 73 TT
Poels-76 MO, 72 TT
Duarte-77 MO
Vuillermoz-75 MO
Thurau-72 MO
Arredondo-76 MO, 68 TT (based on his Tirreno TT), higher FTR
Brambilla-74 MO, 71 TT
Battaglin-72 MO
Goos-71 MO
Rogers-76 MO, higher DO
Ulissi-77 MO, 78 HIL, higher ACC, 73 TT
Monfort-75 MO
Geniez-74 MO
Cataldo-higher FTR
Wellens-71/72 MO, higher FTR
Geschke-71 MO
Preidler-71 MO
Seb. Henao-74 MO, higher REC
Sprinters the same imo, but:
Matthews-74 HIL
Swift-70 MO, 73 HIL
Nizzolo-maybe 78 SP, not sure
Van Emden- Reputation International 
Most of it seems fair. About the only thing is Kelderman's TT - either lower it, or up Uran's TT, cause they arent at same level on that discipline. I think Urán is 3 or even 4 higher |
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 01-06-2014 22:03
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Don't think Uran is 4 TT higher than Kelderman.
Not on a flat ITT. Both are obviously above average for a GT contender. Of course Uran is better, and he'll recieve a nice boost ofc.
But 73 for Kelderman is harsh, considering it has been a while since he rode a flat TT in form. He had lots of ~10th places in strong fields tough(and is generally unlucky ofc)
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 01-06-2014 22:20
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Jesleyh wrote:
Don't think Uran is 4 TT higher than Kelderman.
Not on a flat ITT. Both are obviously above average for a GT contender. Of course Uran is better, and he'll recieve a nice boost ofc.
But 73 for Kelderman is harsh, considering it has been a while since he rode a flat TT in form. He had lots of ~10th places in strong fields tough(and is generally unlucky ofc)
I havent mentioned Kelderman should be 73 or anything like that, my whole point was just that Urán obviously is better than Kelderman on a TT |
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| gotlandrules |
Posted on 02-06-2014 00:34
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EwanWilson wrote:
Why is Pete Kennaugh only 75 MO?? He deserves at least 77
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| AiZaK |
Posted on 02-06-2014 00:43
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| valverde321 |
Posted on 02-06-2014 01:11
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gotlandrules wrote:
depeche92 wrote:
Ulissi 77 is too high :
75 MO 77 HIL and good acc
77 HIL feels too low though.
78 hill at the lowest imo. The mountain is tougher, but the stages he won, would no doubt have atleast a bit of mountain stat needed in terms of PCM's MO:HIL ratio and I do believe he is still decent on Mountains as well anyway. I think 77 MO is about right for Ulissi, and maybe just average or below average REC even though his poor performances later were caused from sickness. Plus if not for his crash on Stage 11 he would have been right in the GC fight before his sickness.
He had a great first half of the Giro. Maybe the strongest/most consistent rider on the uphill climbs/hills. Also if we are talking about Uran's TT, Ulissi did finish 2nd to him so maybe an up for him as well.
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| Anderis |
Posted on 02-06-2014 11:42
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I think Ulissi should be 76 MO, 78 HI, good acceleration, below average recovery and stamina to prevent him placing too good in races like LBL and Lombardia where he is usually nowhere.
Although he is really tough to get right. Lot of good results, but never top10 in Ardennes or Lombardia, so I'm not quite sure about that 78 HI. Apart from that 2 stages won at Giro, he doesn't have results matching other guys with simillar stats in the biggest races. 9th in Fleche Wallone, 7th in Paris-Nice, stage win in Tour de Pologne and stage win and 3rd overall in TdU. That's all he has done at WT level since the beginning of 2012.
And I think we should actually ask Cyanide to introduce the "consistency" skill to the game in 2015.  |
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 02-06-2014 11:59
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Anderis wrote:
And I think we should actually ask Cyanide to introduce the "consistency" skill to the game in 2015.
De Gendt 50, Gilbert 51 
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| Forza-Diavolo |
Posted on 02-06-2014 12:08
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Quintana 81 MO
Pozzovivo 80
Majka 79
Aru 78/79
Rolland 78
Uran 78
Kelderman 77
Evans 77
Kiserlovski 77
Hesjedal 77 |
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| gotlandrules |
Posted on 02-06-2014 13:58
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Ollfardh wrote:
Anderis wrote:
And I think we should actually ask Cyanide to introduce the "consistency" skill to the game in 2015.
De Gendt 50, Gilbert 51
Don't forget to make sure they can have it under 50 for Duarte either  |
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| Unguru30 |
Posted on 02-06-2014 14:03
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Forza-Diavolo wrote:
Quintana 81 MO
Pozzovivo 80
Majka 79
Aru 78/79
Rolland 78
Uran 78
Kelderman 77
Evans 77
Kiserlovski 77
Hesjedal 77
80 is way too much for Pozzovivo. Aru and Uran were the best climbers if we take out Quinatana, so they deserve 79. Pozzovivo and Majka should be 78, as Majka was bad in the MTT, and Pozzovivo was very strong in only 2 MTF. I also believe that Quintana should be 82, as he was by far the strongest climber. No problem at all for him. |
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| gotlandrules |
Posted on 02-06-2014 14:10
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Gotta remember that the stats can't be judged purely on the Giro. Quintana 81/82, Uran 79, Aru 78/79, Pozzo 78/79, Majka 78, Rolland 78, Evans 77 with low rec, Hesjedal 76/77, Kelderman 76/77, Kiserlovski 76/77, Duarte 77/78 with really low rec (if thats the best way to simulate bad consistency), Arredondo 76 with 76/77 HIL? Basso 74/75 and Ulissi with 75/76 MO 77/78 HIL not really sure, he's a tough one.
Edited by gotlandrules on 02-06-2014 14:12
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| gotlandrules |
Posted on 02-06-2014 14:10
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Made a horrible mistake guys
Edited by gotlandrules on 02-06-2014 14:11
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| Cossack |
Posted on 02-06-2014 16:31
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Bit of offtopic, but actually consistency would be both really useful for better realism as well as not so hard to implement ingame - the better consistency, the more steady daily form you get (mostly within -1 to +1, with higher or lower sometimes), the worse, the more extreme values more often (Duarte having every day either -5 or +5 ). It would then nicely match with bigger impact of daily form coming in PCM 2014.
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| gotlandrules |
Posted on 02-06-2014 17:06
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Cossack wrote:
Bit of offtopic, but actually consistency would be both really useful for better realism as well as not so hard to implement ingame - the better consistency, the more steady daily form you get (mostly within -1 to +1, with higher or lower sometimes), the worse, the more extreme values more often (Duarte having every day either -5 or +5 ). It would then nicely match with bigger impact of daily form coming in PCM 2014.
Something like that, but someone with low consistency (Duarte) would have -5 very often, say 50% of the time just to use a number... then +5 something like 15% of the time, and split the other values of the remaining %... or something along those lines. While someone like Cancellara who would have high consistency would have -1 to -5 very seldom and 0-2 maybe 50-75% of the time... while still having the chance of the high daily form, just spitballing though... the numbers are just there to make a point  |
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