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| boork |
Posted on 14-05-2009 01:02
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I think it is rather perfect. Armstrong comes in and draws some extra attention to the sport and then others carry the torch when Armstrong keeps dropping. Win win situation. |
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| chrica04 |
Posted on 14-05-2009 01:56
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Armstrong is riding pretty good for what...21 days of racing? But yes, maybe not exactly how he left the sport.
Wiggins!!! If he can continue to hang in there, that 60km TT may be to his friend on the overall GC!!!
Great ride by Menchov today after the fiasco the other day. |
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| jmcphe |
Posted on 14-05-2009 08:31
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lance is bluffing he doesnt really want to win the giro d'italia he wants to win the tour de france |
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 14-05-2009 08:41
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now on Basso and co need to atack on every mountain to get time between Leiphemer before TT |
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 14-05-2009 09:00
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they are all better climbers than Leipheimer I think. And Menchov and Basso could make a good TT and not lose too many time.
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 14-05-2009 09:01
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Let's not forget that Lance broke his collarbone (or whatever it was). His primary training for the Giro was ... the Tour of Gila. I'll wait until Tour de France to judge him 'for real'. |
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| chrgross |
Posted on 14-05-2009 09:12
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CrueTrue wrote:
Let's not forget that Lance broke his collarbone (or whatever it was). His primary training for the Giro was ... the Tour of Gila. I'll wait until Tour de France to judge him 'for real'.
Well Crue.. We all know u are one of the many Lance lovers around  ... Well me and many others said from the start that it whould be utopia to think he could come back and compete on the higest level ever again !!!
JESPER SKIBY THE GREATST EVER
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| mattiasgt |
Posted on 14-05-2009 10:06
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issoisso wrote:
Menchov: 415 watts of relative power
For reference:
Bjarne Riis, Hautacam 1996, 480w 
Basso, Monte Bondone, 2006 Giro: 460w
Landis, Alpe d'Huez, 2006 Tour: 440w
Rasmussen and Contador, Plateau de Beille, 2007 Tour: 435w
Sastre, Alpe d'Huez, 2008 Tour: 430w
LeMond, a cyclist tremendously more gifted than any current one, and from "the clean age": 400w
What stage and climb is Lemond's wattage taken from?
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| ruben |
Posted on 14-05-2009 11:00
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Then again, the bikes, the preparation and more detailed stuff like food etc has become better. And there's natural human progression. So 410/415W is not strange. However aboven 425W you should look funny. |
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| ruben |
Posted on 14-05-2009 11:02
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CrueTrue wrote:
EBH wrote:
pangare wrote:
They thought that of Andy Schleck too.
I honestly don't think the two are comparable. Andy Schleck came like a rocket from nowhere when he got the 2nd place in 07, while Lövkvist has been looked on as a big talent for quite a few years now but hasn't really shown that he can do well in a three week race. He might just get his breakthrough this year tough.
For the fun of it, I just read some of the comments at this forum from the Giro d'Italia 2007 thread. Everyone thought that Schleck would crack eventually - which is exactly what we're saying about Lövkvist now.
Will be interesting to see what happens.
With the difference being that Andy Schleck was 21 at the time, which is logical we expected that.
And with Lövkvist it's logical we expect him to fall because he has never amounted to anything in high mountains in all his years of professional. In fact, even in the Tirreno, when I expected him to win, he failed in the biggest mountain stage. That's where I lost all confidence in Lövkvist as a climber for the real high mountains. |
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| mattiasgt |
Posted on 14-05-2009 11:05
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And he has never been good in more than a week, and definetely not three weeks.
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| knasen |
Posted on 14-05-2009 11:11
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Does anybody knows if Astana have their new jersey today? |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 14-05-2009 11:18
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I remember reading that the new jerseys won't arrive to the hotel until Saturday. |
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 14-05-2009 11:41
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CrueTrue wrote:
Let's not forget that Lance broke his collarbone (or whatever it was). His primary training for the Giro was ... the Tour of Gila. I'll wait until Tour de France to judge him 'for real'.
I was realy worried person when he decided to return.. I know this guy can do anything. This is not much about he's age ( just a little), it is not all the way even he's broken collarbone fault ..mostly it is he's preparation and PR show has messed up..
After Milano-San Remo I was cooling down..he's tyred face there after race and first comments.."Damn it was fast!"..then I knew that he is so far for he's possible top form..and Giro wont be fun for him.
But still GC 22 spot is not Lance limit..he can do much better. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 14-05-2009 11:45
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Random thought of the day on the Giro:
Simoni has a habit of attacking in seemingly innocuous transitional stages. Watch out today, or more likely, on saturday.
Anyway, his teammate Scarponi is in the break. Not only that, but he's the only guy in the break who isn't several dozen minutes down on GC.
He's at 6:19
The break:
Michele Scarponi (Serramenti PVC)
Guillaume Bonnafond (AG2R)
Vasil Kiryienka (Caisse D’Epargne)
Oscar Gatto (ISD)
Kasper Klostergaard (Saxo Bank)
If this break makes it, expect Scarponi to win. And possibly take the jersey.
So, the two questions for today, in my mind, are:
- Will Di Luca defend the jersey or will Scarponi take it?
- If Di Luca does defend the jersey by not letting Scarponi get a huge gap, will Simoni try to attack across to Scarponi, to have him as a helper on his attack?
mattiasgt wrote:
What stage and climb is Lemond's wattage taken from?
1989 stage 10 to Superbagnères
As for Astana's "makeover", this is from Bruyneel's twitter:
True commitment begins when we reach the point of not knowing how we can possibly go on, and decide to do it anyway...
Edited by issoisso on 14-05-2009 11:46
The preceding post is ISSO 9001 certified
"I love him, I think he's great. He's transformed the sport in so many ways. Every person in cycling has benefitted from Lance Armstrong, perhaps not financially but in some sense" - Bradley Wiggins on Lance Armstrong
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| mattiasgt |
Posted on 14-05-2009 12:06
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issoisso wrote:
mattiasgt wrote:
What stage and climb is Lemond's wattage taken from?
1989 stage 10 to Superbagnères
Correct me if I'm wrong then, but that stage was the hardest of them all in that Tour and included something like four climbes before Superbagnères?
Would be nice to get data from stages that is nearly the same, but I guess that is hard to find. At least the Alpe d'Huez data shows that the climbing speed increased a lot in the 90's, even if some of the times is subjected to discussion.
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Posted on 14-05-2009 12:07
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CrueTrue wrote:
Let's not forget that Lance broke his collarbone (or whatever it was). His primary training for the Giro was ... the Tour of Gila. I'll wait until Tour de France to judge him 'for real'.
Point granted, but somehow I don't think it was just his current fitness that caused him to drop yesterday. |
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| ruben |
Posted on 14-05-2009 12:27
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I still think a lot has to do with material, training schedules and food as well, it really evolved a lot.
F.ex, they did not have have wattage meters and training based on that 20 years ago. |
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| drugsdontwork |
Posted on 14-05-2009 12:42
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At the risk of going off topic.
I said this last year (or perhaps 2 years ago) I think the quick wattage calculation makes too many assumptions (e.g. weight, energy loss, etc) to be used as gospel to spot dopers.
This isn't to say doping does not go on.
Nobody is normal
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Posted on 14-05-2009 12:51
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I dont think they will let the break go yet. They will want to secure more points for pettachi if he can get to the finish i would say maybe in 2 or 3 days a break will make it but you never know after yesterdays hard stage. |
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