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| mb2612 |
Posted on 16-10-2008 00:22
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brun sweater wrote:
Under the WADA code you can keep samples for testing for eight years. It's simply a question of whether UCI have the will to do so!?
They won't, partially because CERA is resonably new and hence there won't be many dopers. Even if they get the blood doping test I doubt they would do it in an official capacity because I suspect that it would destroy the GT standings for the last 8 years, no number of cheats is worth the negative publicity that would bring to the sport.
The only reason they would do it is if the olympics agreed to do it for Athens and Beijing as well, because then we would see a sport wide culling. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 16-10-2008 06:30
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mb2612 wrote:
They won't, partially because CERA is resonably new and hence there won't be many dopers.
The proof that's inadmissible in court on the Oil for drugs case shows that Di Luca and Mazzoleni have been using it since 2004. It's not new. Just as what most of them are using now is not new. Simply the tests haven't caught up to it. |
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| mb2612 |
Posted on 16-10-2008 09:23
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Doesn't the test work by identifying a substance the manefacturers put in there, surely the manefacturers wouldn't put asubstance in the drugs that would take 4 years to find a test for. |
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Posted on 16-10-2008 09:32
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In fact, I remember reading that it wasn't true (that they had put in a traceable substance). |
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| brun sweater |
Posted on 16-10-2008 09:47
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A test relying on tracers is useless, since some chinese lab will just copy the product? The EPO mainly abused in sports are not made by Amgen and such, but by the chinese. It's much cheaper. |
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| mb2612 |
Posted on 16-10-2008 09:57
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brun sweater wrote:
A test relying on tracers is useless, since some chinese lab will just copy the product? The EPO mainly abused in sports are not made by Amgen and such, but by the chinese. It's much cheaper.
There are multiple molecules in the drugs and without trials (the expensive part of drug manefacturing) the indian companies can't tell which is useless. Hence they just rerelease the same drug |
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Posted on 16-10-2008 16:40
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In fact, I remember reading that it wasn't true (that they had put in a traceable substance).
I think I remember them denying they had put a traceable substance in, but the company who made it helped them come up with a test for it
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 20-10-2008 00:39
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Hmm, so far, Kohl hasn't said anything else except that he injected it himself which is no surprise really. He also denies that it's his manager who's been supplying him with the drugs.
However, within the next 8 weeks (!) he'll explain his case to the Austrian anti doping federation. If he do decide to name the dealers he might get a job in the federation... |
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Posted on 20-10-2008 02:38
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CrueTrue wrote:
Hmm, so far, Kohl hasn't said anything else except that he injected it himself which is no surprise really. He also denies that it's his manager who's been supplying him with the drugs.
However, within the next 8 weeks (!) he'll explain his case to the Austrian anti doping federation. If he do decide to name the dealers he might get a job in the federation...
What in the?
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| Smoothie |
Posted on 20-10-2008 07:52
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Im very glad that Kohl is doing the right thing, it would be horrible to blame the manager being as it is the last year of the team and how bad would it be to have the team go out in this way. Well done Kohl for doing the right thing even though you cheated. |
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Posted on 20-10-2008 08:29
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I still wait for the first athlete to admit doping before getting caught (while still active). I think to remember Matt DiCanio doing this, but I'm not sure? |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 20-10-2008 08:30
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Well, the problem is that his manager has been involved in several other doping scandals while having been manager for doped athletes. In some way, it's likely that he has known about it - and who knows - he might also have been the dealer.
Either way, he's very suspicious. |
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Posted on 20-10-2008 08:48
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Smoothie wrote:
Im very glad that Kohl is doing the right thing, it would be horrible to blame the manager being as it is the last year of the team and how bad would it be to have the team go out in this way. Well done Kohl for doing the right thing even though you cheated.
Wouldn't it be marked as a compulsory clause to accomplish if you're getting caught (I mean, not to tell the media the team's guilty of a structured doping web)? I think so.
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| Smoothie |
Posted on 20-10-2008 10:23
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brun sweater wrote:
I still wait for the first athlete to admit doping before getting caught (while still active). I think to remember Matt DiCanio doing this, but I'm not sure?
Thinking back the only one i remember is David Millar. He admitted it and i dont think he ever had a positive test. |
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Posted on 20-10-2008 10:33
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Festina riders, just like Millar they were involved in a dope scandal, without being positive. It's doubtful they'd have admitted anything otherwise. |
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| brun sweater |
Posted on 20-10-2008 11:39
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Smoothie wrote:
brun sweater wrote:
I still wait for the first athlete to admit doping before getting caught (while still active). I think to remember Matt DiCanio doing this, but I'm not sure?
Thinking back the only one i remember is David Millar. He admitted it and i dont think he ever had a positive test.
Wasn't quite what I meant. Millar was questioned by french police before admitting his guilt. In that case Basso, Jaksche etc etc would be examples as well. |
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| Smoothie |
Posted on 20-10-2008 11:39
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Put it this way no one is going to admit it nowadays. If they do they are at risk of losing a years salary!
Will Kohl lose his years salary, im not sure if every Pro-Tour rider signed the agreement. |
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| brun sweater |
Posted on 20-10-2008 12:37
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...speaking of DiCanio
He have now retired from his anti dope crusade. Too bad, but perfectly understandable.
https://www.su13.us/public_address
Cheers to Matt DiCanio |
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| Wiggo |
Posted on 21-10-2008 15:41
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My dad says that there is a minor positive from during the worlds! He's gone to get my brother from school so I don't kbow who. |
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Posted on 21-10-2008 15:46
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Oh dear.
Edited by Wiggo on 21-10-2008 15:52
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