fenian_1234 wrote:
Seems Vino is maybe on his way back.

So, is it gonna be Lance/Bertie/Levi/Kloden riding in support of their new boss next year in July?

Or can they kiss goodbye to the Tour for definite now?

just thought I would add my perspective on the doping/ ethics issue.
I am a 25 yr. old elite amateur, and race at the top level every weekend, and so probably have a different perspective than most on this issue. I see a lot of back and forth and hair splitting regarding ethics. IMO, people who spend a lot of time debating this issue and advocating reform in professional sport are missing the boat. -b/c they fail to see that ethics is not really the problem as to why doping is rampant. Personally, I think there are legitimate arguments on both sides of the issue, ethically. I actually think that, by generally accepted ethical standards, doping in sport is unethical....but I dope. What the general public can never grasp is that I and other like-minded athletes(the vast majority of guys at the top) have a hunger to win that completely overpowers any ethical misgivings. To put it bluntly, a set of rules and ethics are meaningless to athletes that are as passionate and driven to win as me and others at the top level, no one can ever stop us from doing everything that is physically possible to win at the highest level and to crush our competition. Yes, it's harsh, and very few openly voice this feeling, but it's the truth. For someone to think that 50% of professional athletes are clean is beyond naive.... I know better.

issoisso wrote:
Irrelevant. Most people will continue to think most riders are clean and ignore all evidence presented to them. I've learned that lesson several times. They'll also hates people who continuously point out evidence as to why they're wrong.

rjc_43 wrote:
I've gotten so annoyed with all this riders are doped stuff that I've made a radical decision - become a pro rider, or at least, see if i can get to elite standard in the UK within 4 years. Yeah right. Bring it on. If i get there un-doped then I'll let ya all know

EDIT: Forgot to mention my lack of motivation

EDIT X2: Forgot to mention that I have the help of an ex-elite athlete to motivate me...