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| matt493 |
Posted on 18-06-2008 16:14
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THink you meant to put it in the What team are you and how is it going thread.
On topic: I am not watching the Tour because I am boycotting them and those ASO M$@^$@ F@%*&!%^ a%$ H$*@s.
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| Waghlon |
Posted on 18-06-2008 16:15
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CrueTrue wrote:
Hmm, maybe I should get that virus to get down in weight then 
Sickness is an efficient way. I had a throat infection a couple of years ago. Did eat for two weeks and lost 5kg. Effective i tell you.
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| Mads_0 |
Posted on 18-06-2008 16:52
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CrueTrue wrote:
Mads_0 wrote:
Home at last... now... to pass 6 hours of time. Humm.. think i'm at stage 1 of the Giro in my Caisse game.. will go do the giro 
Wrong thread, maybe? 
Arf, very much the wrong thread :-)
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 20-06-2008 12:10
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French Parliament has made a new law, making it possible to give people who posseses doping a sentence of up to 5 years of prison.
EBU, the largest and most important broadcasting union, has said that it will not tolerate doping sports. If it continues, they will smply shut down for all kinds of transmission of the sport.
Bruyneel has complained about Boonen's suspension by asking why Schumacher is allowed to ride |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 23-06-2008 13:35
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CSC-Saxo Bank's squad:
Fabian Cancellara, Carlos Sastre, Andy Schleck, Frank Schleck, Nicki Sørensen, Jens Voigt, Stuart O'Grady, Kurt Asle Arvesen and Volodymir Gustov
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| issoisso |
Posted on 23-06-2008 13:47
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What is Sorensen doing there? geez 
happy to see Gustov. he's an extremely underrated climber. He can shed the whole pack and drop most of the favorites for his team leader when he's on form. He just never attacks, so he doesn't get the recognition he deserves.
EDIT: NO CUESTA?? 
Sastre is going to be pissed. Well, he already is pissed about the shenanigans at the Dauphiné, but now he'll be fuming.
Edited by issoisso on 23-06-2008 13:50
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| issoisso |
Posted on 23-06-2008 13:53
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Euskaltel
Haimar Zubeldia, Samuel Sánchez, Mikel Astarloza, Rubén Pérez, Gorka Verdugo, Iñaki Isasi, Egoi MartÃnez, Amets Txurruka, Juanjo Oroz.
Notice the lack of Antón and Fernandez
Edited by issoisso on 23-06-2008 13:53
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| jacknic |
Posted on 23-06-2008 13:56
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CrueTrue wrote:
CSC-Saxo Bank's squad:
Fabian Cancellara, Carlos Sastre, Andy Schleck, Frank Schleck, Nicki Sørensen, Jens Voigt, Stuart O'Grady, Kurt Asle Arvesen and Volodymir Gustov
SØRENSEN!!
It looks like an extremely strong team. Especially for the mountain stages. CSC might finally be able to control the peloton on the steep climbs with both Schlecks in shape.
I would like to see the entire team work for Sastre and not use too much energy on long breaks.
I think history shows that the winner had the support of the entire team, and this year is the time to go all in with Sastre. Next year Contador and possibly Basso will be back to dominate. |
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Posted on 23-06-2008 14:38
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1st - A Valverde - Won the Dauphine, beating Evans in a time trial. Forget the nonsense about not consistent, he's matured. This is his year.
2nd - C Evans - Grinds out the results, but will be dropped in mountains: a deja vu of last year.
3rd - F Schleck - Proves to be a better climber then the ageing Sastre, team works for him.
4th - D Cunego - Planned solely for the Le Tour, one of three past grand tour winners, proves he can last the distance.
5th - S Sanchez - Decent at everything really with alot of determination, podium finisher at the Vuelta, last year shows he can go for three weeks, expect a strong third week for Sammy.
6th - D Menchov - Strong Giro and two time Vuelta winner shows he can last the distance, but I don't think he has what it takes to beat those above him.
7th - J J Cobo - Based purely on the fact no-one was honestly backing Contador last year. He's a young Spaniard who came 20th last time around.
8th - K Kirchen - Top ten last year, will cling on in the mountains for an 8th place finish.
9th - H Zubeldia - Remains invisible for more or less the entire race, but go's well in both the mountains and the time trials.
10th - O Pereiro - When not winning, he comes 10th. He just does.
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| jacknic |
Posted on 23-06-2008 15:00
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zkkyby wrote:
1st - A Valverde - Won the Dauphine, beating Evans in a time trial. Forget the nonsense about not consistent, he's matured. This is his year.
2nd - C Evans - Grinds out the results, but will be dropped in mountains: a deja vu of last year.
3rd - F Schleck - Proves to be a better climber then the ageing Sastre, team works for him.
4th - D Cunego - Planned solely for the Le Tour, one of three past grand tour winners, proves he can last the distance.
5th - S Sanchez - Decent at everything really with alot of determination, podium finisher at the Vuelta, last year shows he can go for three weeks, expect a strong third week for Sammy.
6th - D Menchov - Strong Giro and two time Vuelta winner shows he can last the distance, but I don't think he has what it takes to beat those above him.
7th - J J Cobo - Based purely on the fact no-one was honestly backing Contador last year. He's a young Spaniard who came 20th last time around.
8th - K Kirchen - Top ten last year, will cling on in the mountains for an 8th place finish.
9th - H Zubeldia - Remains invisible for more or less the entire race, but go's well in both the mountains and the time trials.
10th - O Pereiro - When not winning, he comes 10th. He just does.
Very fair assements. I do however have some doubts about:
Valverde: He still needs to prove his consitency over three weeks. Evans has experience going for him, so it'll be exciting to see this battle. What speeks to Valverdes advantage is that he could take time from Evans on the Hilly stages due to his explosiveness. And you are right, he did beat Evans on a TT in the Dauphiné, but he later said, that the TT was a very technical one which were to his advantage.
Schleck. I think you are flat out wrong in this case. Fränk needs to prove his durability. He has shined on one mountain stage, to crash and burn the next day. I think his brother has a better chance of taking over from Sastre, he seems stronger in the long haul. But I don't think it will be this year. To me Sastre is still the best bet of a CSC Saxo podium finish.
Other than that I think your ranking is alright. You can always debate the positions, but you make some good points.
Lastly i´d like to throw a few wild cards in the mix for a top ten. How do you rate the likes of:
Soler - had a great run last year and showed consitency in the mountains. This year however he will be a familar face and will be paid more attention by the favorites.
Kreutziger - had a great win in Tour de Suisse but is also very young.
Ricco - comes of a 2nd ind the Giro. Great on the climbs, but Giro GC riders usually performs badly in the Tour.
Moreau - the frenchman never seems to be quite up there with the best, but he never goes fataly down either. His experience and consistency could land him another top ten. |
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Posted on 23-06-2008 15:06
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Is Ricco even riding the tour?
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| mrlol |
Posted on 23-06-2008 15:15
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SportingNonsense wrote:
Is Ricco even riding the tour?
dont't think so. and if he is, he'll be too tired from the Giro.... |
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| jacknic |
Posted on 23-06-2008 15:17
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SportingNonsense wrote:
Is Ricco even riding the tour?
He is notops:
Well then. Put Devolder in the wild card group then. Nice time trialist and showed him self on the climbs in tour de Suisse. He lost a lot on the last mountain TT, but I doubt he went all out. |
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| doddy13 |
Posted on 23-06-2008 15:27
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zkkyby wrote:
1st - A Valverde - Won the Dauphine, beating Evans in a time trial. Forget the nonsense about not consistent, he's matured. This is his year.
2nd - C Evans - Grinds out the results, but will be dropped in mountains: a deja vu of last year.
3rd - F Schleck - Proves to be a better climber then the ageing Sastre, team works for him.
Valverde says he's ready for the tour, he seems to think it's his year. I hope so. He's my tip. But will he last a 3 week tour, thats the question. Not to mention TDF time trials are completly different. Has he peaked to early? All questions need answerng really.
Evans, well i hope not. He could do it, very possible. But really all he does is hang on, the dauphine was the first time i've seen him attack in a long time. The place where he'll crawl back time is the TT.
F Schleck, again a good tip. He's not a bad climber as shown on the Alpe d'huez stage in 2006. Can he do that day after day. I have doubts.
Sastre though can't be counted out.
Just my random thoughts, this post was not thought out, it just came out.
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Posted on 23-06-2008 15:40
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jacknic wrote:
CrueTrue wrote:
CSC-Saxo Bank's squad:
Fabian Cancellara, Carlos Sastre, Andy Schleck, Frank Schleck, Nicki Sørensen, Jens Voigt, Stuart O'Grady, Kurt Asle Arvesen and Volodymir Gustov
SØRENSEN!!
It looks like an extremely strong team. Especially for the mountain stages. CSC might finally be able to control the peloton on the steep climbs with both Schlecks in shape.
I would like to see the entire team work for Sastre and not use too much energy on long breaks.
I think history shows that the winner had the support of the entire team, and this year is the time to go all in with Sastre. Next year Contador and possibly Basso will be back to dominate.
Basso will never ride the tour again. Liquigas will be out of the Tour as well next year... Bennati and Possatto will be pissed and change teams. I hope Contadope never will ride it again as well. |
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Posted on 23-06-2008 15:48
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Basso will never ride the tour again. Liquigas will be out of the Tour as well next year... Bennati and Possatto will be pissed and change teams. I hope Contadope never will ride it again as well.
It is important to find and punish dopers, yes. But it is equally important to reintegrate the sinners who have done their time. Millar was accepted back into the peloton, so why shouldn't Basso be? Especially when he is being cast as the new anti-doping rolemodel in Italy. "Contadope" has never been caught and no evidence against him has been brought to the table in the Puerto case. Why shouldn't he ride the Tour next year?
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Posted on 23-06-2008 16:00
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Millar accepted it, and is now a really strong fighter against doping and the UCI and ASO seem to like him for it.
Basso only seems to regret doping because he's not competitng. Which is wrong. He will not ride next year or ever again if the ASO have their way
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Posted on 23-06-2008 16:21
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jacknic wrote:
Basso will never ride the tour again. Liquigas will be out of the Tour as well next year... Bennati and Possatto will be pissed and change teams. I hope Contadope never will ride it again as well.
It is important to find and punish dopers, yes. But it is equally important to reintegrate the sinners who have done their time. Millar was accepted back into the peloton, so why shouldn't Basso be? Especially when he is being cast as the new anti-doping rolemodel in Italy. "Contadope" has never been caught and no evidence against him has been brought to the table in the Puerto case. Why shouldn't he ride the Tour next year?
(and by the way. Were your avatar clean?)
Basso shouldn't be allowed back in because he didn't admit to doping. If he's let in it will send the message that you can deny and get away easy, while riders that admit to doping will be punished harder. |
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Posted on 23-06-2008 16:29
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kadel wrote:
jacknic wrote:
Basso will never ride the tour again. Liquigas will be out of the Tour as well next year... Bennati and Possatto will be pissed and change teams. I hope Contadope never will ride it again as well.
It is important to find and punish dopers, yes. But it is equally important to reintegrate the sinners who have done their time. Millar was accepted back into the peloton, so why shouldn't Basso be? Especially when he is being cast as the new anti-doping rolemodel in Italy. "Contadope" has never been caught and no evidence against him has been brought to the table in the Puerto case. Why shouldn't he ride the Tour next year?
(and by the way. Were your avatar clean?)
Basso shouldn't be allowed back in because he didn't admit to doping. If he's let in it will send the message that you can deny and get away easy, while riders that admit to doping will be punished harder.
jacknic, you are totally right. He has payed his time so he has the right to come back. You can't ban someone and then when they served there time make them still be banned. He was right to get punished. And riders who admit to doping dont get it harder. Not at all. Each case is different so you cant compare them. The thing with conatador is straight bull. Dont say someone has dope if there is no proof. He has done nothing wrong.
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Posted on 23-06-2008 16:38
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matt493 wrote:
kadel wrote:
jacknic wrote:
Basso will never ride the tour again. Liquigas will be out of the Tour as well next year... Bennati and Possatto will be pissed and change teams. I hope Contadope never will ride it again as well.
It is important to find and punish dopers, yes. But it is equally important to reintegrate the sinners who have done their time. Millar was accepted back into the peloton, so why shouldn't Basso be? Especially when he is being cast as the new anti-doping rolemodel in Italy. "Contadope" has never been caught and no evidence against him has been brought to the table in the Puerto case. Why shouldn't he ride the Tour next year?
(and by the way. Were your avatar clean?)
Basso shouldn't be allowed back in because he didn't admit to doping. If he's let in it will send the message that you can deny and get away easy, while riders that admit to doping will be punished harder.
jacknic, you are totally right. He has payed his time so he has the right to come back. You can't ban someone and then when they served there time make them still be banned. He was right to get punished. And riders who admit to doping dont get it harder. Not at all. Each case is different so you cant compare them. The thing with conatador is straight bull. Dont say someone has dope if there is no proof. He has done nothing wrong.
If you ignore the testimonies stating he doped, then yes, there is no proof against Contador.
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