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| Jacdk |
Posted on 18-07-2014 16:15
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ianrussell wrote:
@jacdk Let's agree to disagree 
The experts on the panel should be independent, the statistical analysis is handled by WADA now not the UCI anymore as I understand it, they certainly have a much greater chance of being objective than an "expert" produced by an accused rider...
The bio passport is a wonderful tool but its application is, if anything, highly likely to be conservative - 3 appointed experts have to independently think someone is cheating beyond doubt for a case to be progressed. The main problem is the timescales involved but that's another story...
Bio passport analysis is thankfully solid evidence these days with the scheme being verified as valid by the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) albeit being used in only a limited number of cases.
Ashenden's explanation when he used to be involved:
“It won’t catch every single rider who had doped. A large part of this is due to the margins of tolerance we must allow to ensure that riders are not wrongly accused of doping – which means that there are riders who we suspect are doping after we’ve reviewed their profile, but these riders are not sanctioned via the Passport because we must allow a large margin of tolerance. They are however closely targeted, which increases the likelihood that they will be caught in the future.”
Yes i think we have to agree to disagree because i don't trust the UCI/WADA experts and you dont trust the cyclers experts.
But of course the experts on the panel is not independent they are paid by UCI/WADA and have a interest to keep their jobs.
Also Ashenden is not a member anymore and also seems to have missed what this is about, the key of catching dopers shouldn't be to put suspensions on all riders and run a witch hunt the inquisition wouldn´t even come close to.
It should be about catching them redhanded and never leave any doubt. Because even though Locke is Team Sky he hasn´t be caught doping, he has been banned on some irregularities, which is just a joke to ban anyone on. |
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| Jacdk |
Posted on 18-07-2014 17:33
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Looks like Trek and the schlecks are done
https://www.cyclin...prss.co.uk
I wonder what the h.... happened to those brothers, once at the absolute top and now just a freakshow.
And i gotta admit i love this abit, Kim Andersen was a backstabbing dirtbag together with Schlecks and almost destroyed Riis cycling by pretty much removing all the top riders.
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| SSJ2Luigi |
Posted on 18-07-2014 17:42
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Andy broke his pelvis and Frank got a positive test. that mentually broke Andy and Frank isn't back on his form pre-positive test.
he's seems to get back though
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| Jacdk |
Posted on 18-07-2014 17:54
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SSJ2Luigi wrote:
Andy broke his pelvis and Frank got a positive test. that mentually broke Andy and Frank isn't back on his form pre-positive test.
he's seems to get back though
Top riders have had way worse injuries
But something on Trek is lacking and i think Kim Andersen is to blame, he hasn´t been able to get Schleck mentally at the top. |
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| CountArach |
Posted on 19-07-2014 07:16
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SSJ2Luigi wrote:
Andy broke his pelvis and Frank got a positive test. that mentually broke Andy and Frank isn't back on his form pre-positive test.
he's seems to get back though
This, though Andy still wasn't great before Frank's positive test.
I think there are other issues at play here. Andy probably has some sort of dedication and training problem. He has made it quite clear for years now that he is only interested in the TDF (and occassionally LBL) and couldn't care less about other races. This to me speaks of a rider who has no real motivation to cycle - he lacks passion for it and the moment he stopped being as good as he once was, that would surely go on a downward slope.
Not just that but you have to remember that he may have an alcohol problem. He was kicked off that Vuelta a few years ago and last year/the year before someone else ran into him while he was drunk in an elevator. So we may have to take that into account.
Edited by CountArach on 19-07-2014 07:17
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| valverde321 |
Posted on 19-07-2014 07:38
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Weren't there rumours he also smoked or something. I remember seeing a video of him with a lighter on him (not everyone that has one smokes I know) but if he smoked lots of weed that might explain being lazy as well
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| Jacdk |
Posted on 19-07-2014 18:04
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CountArach wrote:
SSJ2Luigi wrote:
Andy broke his pelvis and Frank got a positive test. that mentually broke Andy and Frank isn't back on his form pre-positive test.
he's seems to get back though
This, though Andy still wasn't great before Frank's positive test.
I think there are other issues at play here. Andy probably has some sort of dedication and training problem. He has made it quite clear for years now that he is only interested in the TDF (and occassionally LBL) and couldn't care less about other races. This to me speaks of a rider who has no real motivation to cycle - he lacks passion for it and the moment he stopped being as good as he once was, that would surely go on a downward slope.
Not just that but you have to remember that he may have an alcohol problem. He was kicked off that Vuelta a few years ago and last year/the year before someone else ran into him while he was drunk in an elevator. So we may have to take that into account.
Are you thinking of his last few months on Saxo Bank where he went out to party with Stuart O'grady during the Vuelta, that was after him signing on with Leopard-trek so i wouldn't say that indicates a alcohol problem, it was more a sign of a rider who had absolute no loyalty or felt obligated to provide a good result for a team he pretty much at that time had left.
Also i seem to recall that both riders had said they didn't want to ride any more races for Riis. |
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| Shonak |
Posted on 19-07-2014 18:07
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valverde321 wrote:
Weren't there rumours he also smoked or something. I remember seeing a video of him with a lighter on him (not everyone that has one smokes I know) but if he smoked lots of weed that might explain being lazy as well
This would kinda go hand in hand with his love for burgers. Hm.
But nevermind. I think he actually wants to get back and reach his old heights. Its just not working out so far. Maybe Fränk's performances will motivate and - more importantly - help him for the future.
Edited by Shonak on 19-07-2014 18:11
"It’s a little bit scary when Contador attacks." - Tommy V
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| Jacdk |
Posted on 19-07-2014 18:13
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Shonak wrote:
valverde321 wrote:
Weren't there rumours he also smoked or something. I remember seeing a video of him with a lighter on him (not everyone that has one smokes I know) but if he smoked lots of weed that might explain being lazy as well
This would kinda go hand in hand with his love for burgers. Hm.
But nevermind. I think he actually wants to get back and reach his old heights. Its just not working out so far. Maybe Fränk's performances will motivate and - more importantly - help him for the future.
What i think will help Andy and Frank back to the peak is them parting ways with Kim Andersen, he clearly is a terrible manager and a bad influence on the brothers. |
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| sutty68 |
Posted on 19-07-2014 18:20
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Maybe it was just a veggie burger he ordered  |
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| ruben |
Posted on 19-07-2014 20:22
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Most hilarious thing is Trek trading Andy and Frank for Mollema, who doesn't look like much more of a lower end top 10 rider at best |
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| CountArach |
Posted on 20-07-2014 05:57
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Jacdk wrote:
Are you thinking of his last few months on Saxo Bank where he went out to party with Stuart O'grady during the Vuelta, that was after him signing on with Leopard-trek so i wouldn't say that indicates a alcohol problem, it was more a sign of a rider who had absolute no loyalty or felt obligated to provide a good result for a team he pretty much at that time had left.
Which confirms my first idea about him lacking passion. But like I said that wasn't the only alcohol-based problem he has had so I suspect that he may indeed have a problem. At least he shouldn't be getting blind drunk mid-season:
https://velonews.c...eck_277922
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| Shonak |
Posted on 20-07-2014 13:31
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Contador talks about the crash:
“It was something that hurt me a lot because I take a lot of care to detail. It was said that I took an unnecessary risk,” he said. “I'm a racer that knows what I'm doing and that is important to me. You have to be aware and try to avoid all risks, try to avoid any problems. For that reason it makes it even more annoying to have had a fall like that when you're careful.”
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“I thought only about finishing the stage with grupetto but I saw that what I had was very serious and could not continue,” explained Contador. “I had excruciating pain and could not continue pushing the pedals. After five seconds without pedalling, I could not move my leg back because I was cooling so quickly. With a lot of sadness I told my teammates that I could not continue.
He's likely to target Vuelta, but does not know if he will be in form. Maybe Vuelta as prep for World Championships?
https://www.cyclin...ance-crash
"It’s a little bit scary when Contador attacks." - Tommy V
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 20-07-2014 14:22
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about Frändy:
Frank seems to be ok..
Andy has spoiled child there..something is totally broken..and all starting at head. Andersen is not as strong manager as Riis was. Even he has problems with these guys..with brother love and great champion final touch.
At Galibier Fränk had a yellow. Riis told at car ..everybody seems to be empty go now it will hurt but you can get tour today. Frank did not moved. |
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| Malkael |
Posted on 21-07-2014 06:07
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The Dutch-speakers on the forums should be able to give us a better account of what is going on, but it sounds like "Team Belkin" have been guaranteed another life thanks to the the Dutch Lotto and a company called BrandLoyalty.
Telegraaf article: https://www.telegr...gn=twitter
Edited by Malkael on 21-07-2014 06:07
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| Wilier |
Posted on 21-07-2014 09:13
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Malkael wrote:
The Dutch-speakers on the forums should be able to give us a better account of what is going on, but it sounds like "Team Belkin" have been guaranteed another life thanks to the the Dutch Lotto and a company called BrandLoyalty.
Telegraaf article: https://www.telegr...gn=twitter
It's almost a done deal. They're still negotiating the last details and then it seems that Belkin is saved. Still no idea for how long the sponsor will sign. Also no idea about the budget.
Edit: the budget seems to be a little less so they're still looking for a third sponsor, which is possibly Roompot Vakanties.
An interesting fact is that these companies will also sponsor a speedskating team (with Sven Kramer), so I hope these sponsors will stay at least till the next winter olympics.
It'll be funny to have two Lotto's in the peloton, though.
Edited by Wilier on 21-07-2014 09:17
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| CountArach |
Posted on 21-07-2014 10:09
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Remember FDJ is a lottery too
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| Malkael |
Posted on 21-07-2014 10:14
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I haven't seen any English reports appear yet, but according to Telegraaf a second major sponsor is close to coming on board to share the financial burden with Giant.
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 21-07-2014 10:50
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| MARSUPILAMI |
Posted on 21-07-2014 11:07
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Etixx is the sponsor of OPQS Continental Team
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