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2014 Giro d'Italia - Week 2 (17th May - 24th May)
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| SSJ2Luigi |
Posted on 18-05-2014 21:08
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MartijnVDD wrote:
MrUfo87 wrote:
Kelderman also doing very well to finish sixth and he was one of the five riders who could follow Uran when he accelerated.
You could also say he was one of the five riders that CHOSE to follow Uran when he accelerated. Other riders prefer riding their own tempo.
For example, since you're Dutch, Contador chose to follow Froome on the climb to Ax-3 Domaines, but in the end he was passed by Mollema who had ridden his own tempo all the time.
but Mollema (and Gesink for that matter) can't counter a attack since they can't accelerate. that way is the only way they can get any mediocre results
Edited by SSJ2Luigi on 18-05-2014 21:08
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| wogsrus |
Posted on 19-05-2014 00:00
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Great win from Weening. OGE having a bumper season. |
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| ruben |
Posted on 19-05-2014 09:19
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Kelderman wasn't riding his own pace because that would be faster than Uran 
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| TimoCycling |
Posted on 19-05-2014 14:50
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Who do you think will impress in the ITT? I'm expecting/hoping that Kelderman can beat guys like Pozzo, Uran, Aru and Ulissi and he can gain valuable seconds.
I think Evans will do well, he's in good shape at the moment.
Also what to think of Morabito? Will he hold on?
I hope to see Majka do well aswell, great rider.
Quintana should lose some time, as he is not cut out fot ITT's. (especially the not real hilly ones) |
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| Selwink |
Posted on 19-05-2014 14:52
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TimoCycling wrote:
Who do you think will impress in the ITT? I'm expecting/hoping that Kelderman can beat guys like Pozzo, Uran, Aru and Ulissi and he can gain valuable seconds.
I think Evans will do well, he's in good shape at the moment.
Also what to think of Morabito? Will he hold on?
I hope to see Majka do well aswell, great rider.
Quintana should lose some time, as he is not cut out fot ITT's. (especially the not real hilly ones)
Which was a very hilly tt
Edited by Selwink on 19-05-2014 14:52
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| TimoCycling |
Posted on 19-05-2014 14:54
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Selwink wrote:
TimoCycling wrote:
Who do you think will impress in the ITT? I'm expecting/hoping that Kelderman can beat guys like Pozzo, Uran, Aru and Ulissi and he can gain valuable seconds.
I think Evans will do well, he's in good shape at the moment.
Also what to think of Morabito? Will he hold on?
I hope to see Majka do well aswell, great rider.
Quintana should lose some time, as he is not cut out fot ITT's. (especially the not real hilly ones)
Which was a very hilly tt
Yeah, the hilly ones he's very good. This one is not as hilly as the Pais Vasco one imo. I expect him to lose time on guys like Evans and Majka. |
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| Kirchen_75 |
Posted on 19-05-2014 14:55
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TimoCycling wrote:
Selwink wrote:
TimoCycling wrote:
Who do you think will impress in the ITT? I'm expecting/hoping that Kelderman can beat guys like Pozzo, Uran, Aru and Ulissi and he can gain valuable seconds.
I think Evans will do well, he's in good shape at the moment.
Also what to think of Morabito? Will he hold on?
I hope to see Majka do well aswell, great rider.
Quintana should lose some time, as he is not cut out fot ITT's. (especially the not real hilly ones)
Which was a very hilly tt
Yeah, the hilly ones he's very good. This one is not as hilly as the Pais Vasco one imo. I expect him to lose time on guys like Evans and Majka.
Majka is not stellar in flat, hillish TT either |
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| Selwink |
Posted on 19-05-2014 14:56
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TimoCycling wrote:
Selwink wrote:
TimoCycling wrote:
Who do you think will impress in the ITT? I'm expecting/hoping that Kelderman can beat guys like Pozzo, Uran, Aru and Ulissi and he can gain valuable seconds.
I think Evans will do well, he's in good shape at the moment.
Also what to think of Morabito? Will he hold on?
I hope to see Majka do well aswell, great rider.
Quintana should lose some time, as he is not cut out fot ITT's. (especially the not real hilly ones)
Which was a very hilly tt
Yeah, the hilly ones he's very good. This one is not as hilly as the Pais Vasco one imo. I expect him to lose time on guys like Evans and Majka.
Whoops, I misread your post. Shouldn't do this while studying
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| CountArach |
Posted on 19-05-2014 14:58
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TimoCycling wrote:
Quintana should lose some time, as he is not cut out fot ITT's. (especially the not real hilly ones)
A common misconception:
20th 2013 Tour of Britain ITT (16km, flat) - https://www.procyc...3_Knowsley
16th 2014 San Luis ITT (19.2km, slight hill) - https://www.procyc...5_San_Luis
20th 2014 Tirreno-Adriatico ITT (9.1km, flat) - https://www.procyc...14_Stage_7
That's before we even mention his 2nd in the ITT from last year's Pais Vasco which had an equivalent amount of vertical height gain (just from a quick and rough count) to the one coming up in the Giro.
EDIT: The only one I can find from the last 2 years where he didn't have a decent ride was the TDF stage last year which was pan flat. Perhaps he struggles with the longer distance, but I think there will be enough climbing this year that he could perhaps mitigate the loss.
EDIT 2: And even then he lost under a minute on Evans.
Edited by CountArach on 19-05-2014 15:01
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| TimoCycling |
Posted on 19-05-2014 14:58
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@Kirchen: Hmm, I thought he was decent. not much good TT'ers in the top 10 then... |
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| TimoCycling |
Posted on 19-05-2014 15:00
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CountArach wrote:
TimoCycling wrote:
Quintana should lose some time, as he is not cut out fot ITT's. (especially the not real hilly ones)
A common misconception:
20th 2013 Tour of Britain ITT (16km, flat) - https://www.procyc...3_Knowsley
16th 2014 San Luis ITT (19.2km, slight hill) - https://www.procyc...5_San_Luis
20th 2014 Tirreno-Adriatico ITT (9.1km, flat) - https://www.procyc...14_Stage_7
That's before we even mention his 2nd in the ITT from last year's Pais Vasco which had an equivalent amount of vertical height gain (just from a quick and rough count) to the one coming up in the Giro.
One thing is really noticable in those results, the TT's are either hilly or pretty short. This one is way longer. He's a small guy so he has less power on the flat than guys like Evans. It's almost impossible for him to do really well on flat TT's. I must say though, he is a decent TT'er. Just not top 20 I reckon, maybe top 30 I'd say. |
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| CountArach |
Posted on 19-05-2014 15:02
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TimoCycling wrote:
CountArach wrote:
TimoCycling wrote:
Quintana should lose some time, as he is not cut out fot ITT's. (especially the not real hilly ones)
A common misconception:
20th 2013 Tour of Britain ITT (16km, flat) - https://www.procyc...3_Knowsley
16th 2014 San Luis ITT (19.2km, slight hill) - https://www.procyc...5_San_Luis
20th 2014 Tirreno-Adriatico ITT (9.1km, flat) - https://www.procyc...14_Stage_7
That's before we even mention his 2nd in the ITT from last year's Pais Vasco which had an equivalent amount of vertical height gain (just from a quick and rough count) to the one coming up in the Giro.
One thing is really noticable in those results, the TT's are either hilly or pretty short. This one is way longer. He's a small guy so he has less power on the flat than guys like Evans. It's almost impossible for him to do really well on flat TT's. I must say though, he is a decent TT'er. Just not top 20 I reckon, maybe top 30 I'd say.
Check out the edits above, he still lost under a minute on Evans in the TDF's flat ITT.
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| Kirchen_75 |
Posted on 19-05-2014 15:05
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TimoCycling wrote:
@Kirchen: Hmm, I thought he was decent. not much good TT'ers in the top 10 then...
Which is why I'm raging at the lack of attacks on Evans on the mountain stages last weekend. This Giro seems like Hesjedal one all over again. Evans will seal it in the TT.
If youre not good TT you have to use every bit of ascend stage finish to make up that time. Seems like only Pozzovivo understands it.
Edited by Kirchen_75 on 19-05-2014 15:06
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| TimoCycling |
Posted on 19-05-2014 15:06
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CountArach wrote:
TimoCycling wrote:
CountArach wrote:
TimoCycling wrote:
Quintana should lose some time, as he is not cut out fot ITT's. (especially the not real hilly ones)
A common misconception:
20th 2013 Tour of Britain ITT (16km, flat) - https://www.procyc...3_Knowsley
16th 2014 San Luis ITT (19.2km, slight hill) - https://www.procyc...5_San_Luis
20th 2014 Tirreno-Adriatico ITT (9.1km, flat) - https://www.procyc...14_Stage_7
That's before we even mention his 2nd in the ITT from last year's Pais Vasco which had an equivalent amount of vertical height gain (just from a quick and rough count) to the one coming up in the Giro.
One thing is really noticable in those results, the TT's are either hilly or pretty short. This one is way longer. He's a small guy so he has less power on the flat than guys like Evans. It's almost impossible for him to do really well on flat TT's. I must say though, he is a decent TT'er. Just not top 20 I reckon, maybe top 30 I'd say.
Check out the edits above, he still lost under a minute on Evans in the TDF's flat ITT.
Very interesting I must say. I'm looking forward to the TT. Who do you think is a favorite?
By the way, back then, Evans wasn't in the shape he is in now. You have to take into consideration imo. |
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 19-05-2014 15:06
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CountArach wrote:
TimoCycling wrote:
CountArach wrote:
TimoCycling wrote:
Quintana should lose some time, as he is not cut out fot ITT's. (especially the not real hilly ones)
A common misconception:
20th 2013 Tour of Britain ITT (16km, flat) - https://www.procyc...3_Knowsley
16th 2014 San Luis ITT (19.2km, slight hill) - https://www.procyc...5_San_Luis
20th 2014 Tirreno-Adriatico ITT (9.1km, flat) - https://www.procyc...14_Stage_7
That's before we even mention his 2nd in the ITT from last year's Pais Vasco which had an equivalent amount of vertical height gain (just from a quick and rough count) to the one coming up in the Giro.
One thing is really noticable in those results, the TT's are either hilly or pretty short. This one is way longer. He's a small guy so he has less power on the flat than guys like Evans. It's almost impossible for him to do really well on flat TT's. I must say though, he is a decent TT'er. Just not top 20 I reckon, maybe top 30 I'd say.
Check out the edits above, he still lost under a minute on Evans in the TDF's flat ITT.
While I agree, Evans Giro 2014 is completely different rider to Tour 2013. Pointless comparison.
I do agree though that Quintana will do well ( if recovered well enough from falls too maintain optimal aerodynamic position).
I also hope Pozzo has Vuelta 13 ITT in store for us
Edited by Alakagom on 19-05-2014 15:10
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| TimoCycling |
Posted on 19-05-2014 15:07
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Kirchen_75 wrote:
TimoCycling wrote:
@Kirchen: Hmm, I thought he was decent. not much good TT'ers in the top 10 then...
Which is why I'm raging at the lack of attacks on Evans on the mountain stages last weekend. This Giro seems like Hesjedal one all over again. Evans will seal it in the TT.
If youre not good TT you have to use every bit of ascend stage finish to make up that time. Seems like only Pozzovivo understands it.
It's a bit the fault of the routemaker, cause the last week is so damn heavy! Everyone waits till there to try something I suppose. Or they were just not strong enough... |
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| Shonak |
Posted on 19-05-2014 15:08
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At last year's Tour, Evans's form was far worse than his current one though, so I wouldn't really hold that against Evans and pro Quintana.
EDIT: Zabel'd big time.
Edited by Shonak on 19-05-2014 15:08
"It’s a little bit scary when Contador attacks." - Tommy V
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| CountArach |
Posted on 19-05-2014 15:16
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Yeah for sure I know they are different things entirely but it was the only head to head I saw there so I threw it in as an afterthought.
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| depeche92 |
Posted on 19-05-2014 15:42
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Normally gaps between GC favourites in hilly TTs are not big at all.
My prediction : Evans, Kelderman 15/20'', Uran-Quintana-Ulissi 30/40", Majka-Pozzovivo-Basso 45''/1' , Aru-Kiserlovski 1'/1'30'' |
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 19-05-2014 15:44
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Thinking the gaps won't be too small. It's not as hilly as the Vuelta '13, I think.
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