Wilier wrote:
Isn't it clear already that Kittel has surpassed Cav and Greipel when it comes to sprinting? In the Tour of Turkey Cav was beaten by Viviani. Twice.
Cav builds up to the Tour. Viviani pretty much almost hitting his peak for the Giro.
Wilier wrote:
Isn't it clear already that Kittel has surpassed Cav and Greipel when it comes to sprinting? In the Tour of Turkey Cav was beaten by Viviani. Twice.
Cav builds up to the Tour. Viviani pretty much almost hitting his peak for the Giro.
Wilier wrote:
Isn't it clear already that Kittel has surpassed Cav and Greipel when it comes to sprinting? In the Tour of Turkey Cav was beaten by Viviani. Twice.
Cav builds up to the Tour. Viviani pretty much almost hitting his peak for the Giro.
Kittel is also focusing on the Tour.
Then we will see who is the fastest. Kittel hasn't got any real competition @ the Giro.
With all the respect to Swift Matthews and Viviani and co theyre not the top level, so jumping to conclusion that Kittel is now the best sprinter in the world purely because he won 2 stages is an overreaction IMO. For me Cav is still the best sprinter when in top form. Kittel and Greipel very close behind.
admirschleck wrote:
But remember Le Tour 2013. Kittel's domination basically started there.
Domination is a bit of a strong word. The three of them were close in terms of performance, and Kittel just edged them out in the straight fights (of which there were about 2 in the whole race).
Kittel is probably the best pure sprinter at the moment. He's incredibly fast and riding some really good form. Cav's is going strong and is a better climber and tactician. Greipel does seem to be a level behind at the moment, but is still very strong.
Then there is Sagan, Bouhanni, Vivianni and a whole host of sprinters who can surprise the top 3
admirschleck wrote:
But remember Le Tour 2013. Kittel's domination basically started there.
Cav wasn't really in top form last year. Maglia Rossa defence @ the Giro through the mountain stages really tired him. Still won 2 stages because of experience though. This season fully focusing on Le Tour should be a different story.
Wilier wrote:
Isn't it clear already that Kittel has surpassed Cav and Greipel when it comes to sprinting? In the Tour of Turkey Cav was beaten by Viviani. Twice.
Cav builds up to the Tour. Viviani pretty much almost hitting his peak for the Giro.
Kittel is also focusing on the Tour.
Then we will see who is the fastest. Kittel hasn't got any real competition @ the Giro.
With all the respect to Swift Matthews and Viviani and co theyre not the top level, so jumping to conclusion that Kittel is now the best sprinter in the world purely because he won 2 stages is an overreaction IMO. For me Cav is still the best sprinter when in top form. Kittel and Greipel very close behind.
What happened last year then? Marcel won 4 stages at the TDF, while Mark only won 2.
Edit: Zabel'd
Edited by Schleck96 on 12-05-2014 11:28
Wilier wrote:
Isn't it clear already that Kittel has surpassed Cav and Greipel when it comes to sprinting? In the Tour of Turkey Cav was beaten by Viviani. Twice.
Cav builds up to the Tour. Viviani pretty much almost hitting his peak for the Giro.
lol @sprinters and peaking story.
Even sprinters in shitty form usually still have their top speed (unless you're farrar)
Form in sprinters is only important in how they survive tougher stages
Edited by ruben on 12-05-2014 11:30
^I don't even want to go through that point, because I don't really understand how it works. It does make some sense though... Maybe Aquarius can do some explanation Edited by Schleck96 on 12-05-2014 11:37
Wilier wrote:
Isn't it clear already that Kittel has surpassed Cav and Greipel when it comes to sprinting? In the Tour of Turkey Cav was beaten by Viviani. Twice.
Cav builds up to the Tour. Viviani pretty much almost hitting his peak for the Giro.
Kittel is also focusing on the Tour.
Then we will see who is the fastest. Kittel hasn't got any real competition @ the Giro.
With all the respect to Swift Matthews and Viviani and co theyre not the top level, so jumping to conclusion that Kittel is now the best sprinter in the world purely because he won 2 stages is an overreaction IMO. For me Cav is still the best sprinter when in top form. Kittel and Greipel very close behind.
What happened last year then? Marcel won 4 stages at the TDF, while Mark only won 2.
Edit: Zabel'd
And one of those was an echelon stage, where Sagan was the only 'sprinter' left.
The only thing Cav has going for him in the next TdF is that he has the strongest team.
IMO the current Kittel is very close to the best Cavendish in his HTC/Columbia days. Cav's sprint doesn't seem as good as in the past, which is logical when you're getting older. In turn he has build op more endurance to survive tougher stages.
Edited by Wilier on 12-05-2014 12:23
^Exactly. I like both of them (the opposite of Greipel, who I really dislike), I even like Mark a little bit more (his attitude is the shit man ), so there is no bias towards this subject. Facts are just facts.....
ianrussell wrote:
Wondering if that total elevation on Tour Tracker is accurate - 3200m and counting is more than I'd expect for this stage even if much of it's at a steady gradient.
Aha! A fault with Tour Tracker - all the pros on Strava have the total elevation for the stage at 1300m. Looked like too many sprinters left with nearly 4000m elevation showing
Btw I love Tour Tracker, I'll give them this minor/petty of me one
Live coverage of the individual time trial almost about to begin, going by my watch, as Rohan Dennis sets the quickest time at the intermediate checkpoint by +22" over Jack Bobridge. Currently Bobridge has the quickest time at the finishing line, some 22" ahead of Mouris and 28" ahead of Bodnar.
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), so there is no bias towards this subject. Facts are just facts.....
