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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 08-11-2012 22:30
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Yeah, okay, I get what you mean.
I just tell kids to model themselves after Cancellara, that's a safe bet  |
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 08-11-2012 22:31
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Ian Butler wrote:
I just tell kids to model themselves after Cancellara, that's a safe bet
You mean Jensie of course, what better model is there!
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| Flair |
Posted on 08-11-2012 22:33
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Atlantius wrote:
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To be honest I don't think I would be in the mood for English tabloids either if I had just been run down by a car...
You should still be able to control yourself from doing what Wiggins does. At least if you ask me.
I don't see why it is so bad. He's telling some photographers (who are world-famous for being aggressive pricks) to f**k off.
It's not like he's going Evans and physically attacking people or anything...
Its not bad. English media are a nightmare. He has never tried to be a celeb, he just gets on a bike and rides. He happens to be very good at it so the English media have decided to turn him into a superstar and own him.
So yeah, when you've spent the night in hospital after being hit by a van, you've got multiple broken ribs and have just been discharged to go home. I can totally understand anyone telling a bunch of paps wanting a exclusive to f off.
Its not even about wanting to get the message to the fans that his ok, since he works for a team sponsored by one of the biggest media agencies in the country.
So yes. He was quite right to tell a bunch of money hungry ass wipes to fuck off. To be entirely honest we should pass a law allowing all journo's to be punched on sight! |
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| miggi133 |
Posted on 08-11-2012 22:36
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Pellizotti2 wrote:
It's just not exactly the smartest thing to do in front of the media. At least that's what I think.
Bare in mind that he has a punker background and BAM! Bad Boy imge restored!
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| Atlantius |
Posted on 08-11-2012 22:38
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issoisso wrote:
Atlantius wrote:
Pellizotti2 wrote:
Atlantius wrote:
To be honest I don't think I would be in the mood for English tabloids either if I had just been run down by a car...
You should still be able to control yourself from doing what Wiggins does. At least if you ask me.
I don't see why it is so bad. He's telling some photographers (who are world-famous for being aggressive pricks) to f**k off.
It's not like he's going Evans and physically attacking people or anything...
Jesus dude way to exaggerate. Evans asked the guy 3 times not to touch his injured arm. The guy kept pushing to try to get a rise out of Evans. So, Evans snapped and shouted.
He didn't physically attack anyone. Quite the opposite, he was physically attacked.
Not wanting to start an Evans-discussion or anything, and I give you that "attacking" probably was putting it a bit strong, but have a look at the clip before you claim Evans was "attacked": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FikzgW...ikzgWE3t0A. As I remember the worst part actually came after this clip ends, but that may just be me remembering four years back 
My point more than anything is that Wiggins flipping a finger did no harm whatsoever, and knowing English tabloidpress odds are they had it coming (just like you could say the journalist had in the Evans case). I expect they had been all over him every second up to that moment and that he probably did ask them to back off and just let him go home.
It might not be the smartest thing to do PR-wise, but I think it's okay to say that you don't have to eat every bit of crap that get pushed into your mouth. Sometimes the press should learn to back off and accept that people are still persons even though they are very good at something. If anything I give credit to Wiggins for not just being a "smile and wave" kind of guy.
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Its not bad. English media are a nightmare. He has never tried to be a celeb, he just gets on a bike and rides. He happens to be very good at it so the English media have decided to turn him into a superstar and own him.
So yeah, when you've spent the night in hospital after being hit by a van, you've got multiple broken ribs and have just been discharged to go home. I can totally understand anyone telling a bunch of paps wanting a exclusive to f off.
Its not even about wanting to get the message to the fans that his ok, since he works for a team sponsored by one of the biggest media agencies in the country.
So yes. He was quite right to tell a bunch of money hungry ass wipes to fuck off. To be entirely honest we should pass a law allowing all journo's to be punched on sight!
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| Flair |
Posted on 08-11-2012 22:43
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CountArach wrote:
I can hate many things at once with a huge range. Wiggins just happens to be one of them. The point is that he is at a point where he is something of a role model for young cyclists and he has to start acting like it. Otherwise the next generation will see this is acceptable behaviour towards the cycling media. Remember that as dickish as the media can be they are literally the only way we have of knowing what is going on, securing photos and interviews, etc. He won the Tour and now he has to accept all the media that goes with that.
Winning something doesn't mean your a role model though. Your only a role model if you claim to be that. Wiggins has not even claimed to be a paragon of virtue and that all kids should act exactly like him. He hasn't tried to cultivate a nice guy image to get nicely paid sponsorship deals.
And personally, I think someone who is human and does occasionally get annoyed at the media and flip a finger is normal. That's what normal people do. No-one is perfect, and perfect images are not good role because because they aren't real. Otherwise you end up with another range of kids who grow up and then cant understand why its impossible to achieve what they were told they could.
And to be entirely honest, the media love it. They would much rather someone be pissed and flip the finger because it makes a far more interesting story then robotic "The team is great and everyone is happy and we spend all day skipping around the land of milk and honey" answer.
To hate someone merely because they don't feel like being nice to the press all the time is a very odd reason to hate someone. Lance Armstrong was a saint to the press. Of course, he has a very good reason to want to keep them all on his side. |
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| CountArach |
Posted on 08-11-2012 23:11
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Flair wrote:
CountArach wrote:
I can hate many things at once with a huge range. Wiggins just happens to be one of them. The point is that he is at a point where he is something of a role model for young cyclists and he has to start acting like it. Otherwise the next generation will see this is acceptable behaviour towards the cycling media. Remember that as dickish as the media can be they are literally the only way we have of knowing what is going on, securing photos and interviews, etc. He won the Tour and now he has to accept all the media that goes with that.
Winning something doesn't mean your a role model though. Your only a role model if you claim to be that. Wiggins has not even claimed to be a paragon of virtue and that all kids should act exactly like him. He hasn't tried to cultivate a nice guy image to get nicely paid sponsorship deals.
Incorrect. Role models are created by a society which values excelling in (often physical) certain feats. In this case, Wiggins won the (perceived) hardest bike race in the world. People are going to hero worship him and attempt to emulate that feat whether he asks for it or not. Do parents ask to be role models? No, we just expect them to be. Our greatest athletes are exactly the same and some of them handle that better than others. Wiggins just needs to accept that if he wants to be good at something, he has to take everything that comes with it - including the adulation of fans and the need to take on a sort of moral leadership.
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| issoisso |
Posted on 08-11-2012 23:38
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Atlantius wrote:
Not wanting to start an Evans-discussion or anything, and I give you that "attacking" probably was putting it a bit strong, but have a look at the clip before you claim Evans was "attacked": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FikzgW...ikzgWE3t0A. As I remember the worst part actually came after this clip ends, but that may just be me remembering four years back
It started way before this clip, the thing had been going on for a good ten minutes with the same guy chasing Evans around
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| Flair |
Posted on 09-11-2012 00:08
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CountArach wrote:
Incorrect. Role models are created by a society which values excelling in (often physical) certain feats. In this case, Wiggins won the (perceived) hardest bike race in the world. People are going to hero worship him and attempt to emulate that feat whether he asks for it or not. Do parents ask to be role models? No, we just expect them to be. Our greatest athletes are exactly the same and some of them handle that better than others. Wiggins just needs to accept that if he wants to be good at something, he has to take everything that comes with it - including the adulation of fans and the need to take on a sort of moral leadership.
Parent's ask to become role models when they decide to have a kid. Or at least, they should.
The idea of a role model has become warped by a celeb based culture. That's the problem. A role model should be someone who has qualities that are admirable, but you should never strive to be exactly like someone else. You shouldn't aspire to be any specific person, merely want to possess certain traits of your role models.
People always quote being honest as a trait that is admirable and rant on people when they actually are. That is all Wiggins is being. Why should someone be forced to spend their life acting just because they are good at riding a bike.
I agree there are certain positions in society where you do have to be perfect. If you choose to be become captain of a football club, then yes, you are marking yourself out. You can be the best player on the team and not be the captain. You can still be an on pitch leader. The captain is basically a commercial position where you are the ambassador for the club etc.
If people are meant to be honest, and Wiggins is occasionally annoyed at press who are hounding him what would you suggest. He should have deliberately ridden badly and lost the Tour because he wouldn't make a good role model?
You can't force people to be something they are not. He was not at a race, he was not at a public event. Everyone is entitled to privacy. He was jumped by press as he left hospital with broken ribs. I know the british press well, and whilst at that point he was safely in a car, moments before that he would have been surrounded and bombarded with questions. When you've got broken ribs the last thing you want is a pack of people pushing towards you and enclosing you.
In practice, those people that appear to be saints generally turn out to have something very very bad hidden away. Tiger Woods was perfect. Ryan Giggs was perfect. Lance Armstrong was perfect. |
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| CountArach |
Posted on 09-11-2012 03:12
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In an ideal world yes he shouldn't have to be like that but how about, instead of giving the finger he calls a press conference and talks about it? This is just childish.
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| Eden95 |
Posted on 09-11-2012 06:35
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On the Evans so called 'attack' video, I noticed around 20 seconds into it when he snaps, Evan's security guard that he hired for the Tour steps in, it sounds like he says: "Don't touch the Douchebag!"
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 09-11-2012 06:43
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Eden95 wrote:
On the Evans so called 'attack' video, I noticed around 20 seconds into it when he snaps, Evan's security guard that he hired for the Tour steps in, it sounds like he says: "Don't touch the Douchebag!"
Didn't notice that before!
Really sounds exactly like that's what he's saying! 
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 09-11-2012 08:55
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Cool security guard  |
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| Welwyn |
Posted on 09-11-2012 10:03
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CountArach wrote:
In an ideal world yes he shouldn't have to be like that but how about, instead of giving the finger he calls a press conference and talks about it? This is just childish.
How does that stop the GB Paparazzi hounding him the minute he exits? |
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| CountArach |
Posted on 09-11-2012 10:09
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Welwyn wrote:
CountArach wrote:
In an ideal world yes he shouldn't have to be like that but how about, instead of giving the finger he calls a press conference and talks about it? This is just childish.
How does that stop the GB Paparazzi hounding him the minute he exits?
How does this stop them?
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| sutty68 |
Posted on 09-11-2012 10:41
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CrueTrue wrote:
Wiggins has a message to all of you who've been wishing him well
That finger was definantly used in the ET movie  |
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 09-11-2012 10:43
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Its just a finger! christ....
Contador punched a fan once, thats worse
and i'm sure Jensie has sworn in interveiws...
really dont see why this is an issue, or why wiggins is getting hate for showing emotion after being released from hospital with a broken rib
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 09-11-2012 11:09
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TheManxMissile wrote:
Ian Butler wrote:
I just tell kids to model themselves after Cancellara, that's a safe bet
You mean Jensie of course, what better model is there!
No, i dont want 20 grandchildren in the future.
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 09-11-2012 11:10
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Wiggins does not have my respect to even comment on him properly, prick...
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| Flair |
Posted on 09-11-2012 11:29
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Oh, and it was in reponse to a questiion. One of them asked which finger was dislocated. The media ran the picture with the tag 'Wiggo jokes as he arrives home whilst nursing dislocated finger'
So basically rhe people who were there werent offended, only random peoople whom were not there and dont understand the context.
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