Selwink wrote:
Because this is the current discussion in Cafe Pedro, I decided to revive this. In NL, you have to calculations out of the head (damn, difficult to translate), even though everything will be done with calculators later. I got 8/10
So, I guess there's a big chance we end up on the same University. Nice! I did Gymnasium the first year, but Latin and Greek bored me out completely. I could handle the level, I think, yeah.
Btw, if it wasn't clear, I'm doing VWO(to others, it's about the highest level, but one can say Gymnasium(Selwink & fcancellara are doing that) is higher, since its harder with more languages.)
And did you skip a class, Selwink? You're younger than me, after all...
Yes, I did skip group 2 so I came to the middle school when I was 10. Greek and Latin did amuse me, but Latin has become so f*cking difficult. Still, gymnasium is good on your cv
Yes, gymnasium is good on your cv. But it wasn't worth it for me.
I did 'Technasium' for the 2 years after that though. Dunno if you ever heard of it. I'm not a technical person at all, but that looks good on your cv as well
Especially since I chose EM(Economics & Society), a non-technical profile, as profile, I think I'm the only one having EM + done Technasium.
I understand that you do NT(Nature & Technics)?
Some information on all this:
Spoiler
In the Netherlands, after about halfway your middle school career, you have to choose a profile. You can 'drop' several subjects while choosing a certain profile. There are 4 profiles to choose from, with EM & NT being the most popular.
Being good at calculating things in your head is always a good thing. I am graduating in business now and whether or not its actual calculations, you need to be able to work with numbers very well. Every situation, every decision involves either a number because of cost or because of time (and usually those two are the same thing: labour hours). Being able to quickly estimate and assess a situation, and coming up with workable solutions (cost/timewise) is a must. The better you are at it, the better you are at managing a business. Even when you're not actually using numbers, the principles of math apply to any logical problem.
I always loved maths and calculating things from the top of my head and nowadays people praise me for being able to understand and assess problems so quickly
ShortsNL wrote:
Being good at calculating things in your head is always a good thing. I am graduating in business now and whether or not its actual calculations, you need to be able to work with numbers very well. Every situation, every decision involves either a number because of cost or because of time (and usually those two are the same thing: labour hours). Being able to quickly estimate and assess a situation, and coming up with workable solutions (cost/timewise) is a must. The better you are at it, the better you are at managing a business. Even when you're not actually using numbers, the principles of math apply to any logical problem.
I always loved maths and calculating things from the top of my head and nowadays people praise me for being able to understand and assess problems so quickly
I was already able to do that, thanks to chess School is for 3/4 filling time and wasting money imo. I dont like maths, but that is also thanks to my current teacher. Explaining 35minutes in a lesson of 45 minutes, literally from the book, apart from some 6-year old mistakes..
Edited by Selwink on 12-05-2013 11:28
Selwink wrote:
Because this is the current discussion in Cafe Pedro, I decided to revive this. In NL, you have to calculations out of the head (damn, difficult to translate), even though everything will be done with calculators later. I got 8/10
So, I guess there's a big chance we end up on the same University. Nice! I did Gymnasium the first year, but Latin and Greek bored me out completely. I could handle the level, I think, yeah.
Btw, if it wasn't clear, I'm doing VWO(to others, it's about the highest level, but one can say Gymnasium(Selwink & fcancellara are doing that) is higher, since its harder with more languages.)
And did you skip a class, Selwink? You're younger than me, after all...
Yes, I did skip group 2 so I came to the middle school when I was 10. Greek and Latin did amuse me, but Latin has become so f*cking difficult. Still, gymnasium is good on your cv
Yes, gymnasium is good on your cv. But it wasn't worth it for me.
I did 'Technasium' for the 2 years after that though. Dunno if you ever heard of it. I'm not a technical person at all, but that looks good on your cv as well
Especially since I chose EM(Economics & Society), a non-technical profile, as profile, I think I'm the only one having EM + done Technasium.
I understand that you do NT(Nature & Technics)?
Some information on all this:
Spoiler
In the Netherlands, after about halfway your middle school career, you have to choose a profile. You can 'drop' several subjects while choosing a certain profile. There are 4 profiles to choose from, with EM & NT being the most popular.
I do EM as well, and yes I do know what technasium is. They give it at the other school in Sneek, so some of my former class mates chose it
PCM rulezz wrote:
I also love maths and science, it's so easier than languages
Yeah, I've got trouble with languages as well.
I dropped Science though. Instead, subjects as Economics, History and Geography are my specialities.
@Selwink But, but, you said you do science? Is that even possible?
ANW is it (General Natural Sciences), and as said, it is useless for me. It was just obliged
EDIT: I have many languages: Latin (Dull), Dutch (Duller), English (Dullest), Greek, French and Spanish. No German, as my teacher then would teach it with poems
Edited by Selwink on 12-05-2013 11:32
The English system may not be the best, but at least its simple...
Pick 6-14 subjects at 13/14 (GCSE's) and then 2-4 subjects at 16 (A Levels)
Pretty much a free reign over what you want to do. GCSE must do Maths, English, Science.
Although more places are now offering the International Baccalaureate instead of A Levels.
Hah I remember ANW. Had an EM profile so ANW was the only beta subject I had as it was obliged.
The only good thing it was for was that it made me remember that there were also beta subjects out there and that life wasn't all just economics + history Poor teacher, she was forced to teach natural sciences to a bunch of non-caring alpha students
Best thing about that subject was that I re-used my history paper about the first lunar landings and I got an 8/10
@TMM Yes, I can understand that this sounds complicated
@Selwink @ShortsNL Yeah, ANW. Horrible. I just can't do bèta subjects.
@Selwink So many languages?! My head would explode! Still, I speak a language that you don't speak(German). Muhahaha. I guess.
English is the easiest language for me, personally(Okay, if I made a grammar mistake in this post, I'm embarrassed now. )
Edited by Jesleyh on 12-05-2013 11:38
ShortsNL wrote:
Hah I remember ANW. Had an EM profile so ANW was the only beta subject I had as it was obliged.
The only good thing it was for was that it made me remember that there were also beta subjects out there and that life wasn't all just economics + history Poor teacher, she was forced to teach natural sciences to a bunch of non-caring alpha students
Best thing about that subject was that I re-used my history paper about the first lunar landings and I got an 8/10
Many EM here. My ANW teacher always gets angry and then uses archaic dutch insults. That makes it even worse. He is a very good teacher though, as even I pass on the subject
Jesleyh wrote:
@TMM Yes, I can understand that this sounds complicated
@Selwink @ShortsNL Yeah, ANW. Horrible. I just can't do bèta subjects.
@Selwink So many languages?! My head would explode! Still, I speak a language that you don't speak(German). Muhahaha. I guess.
English is the easiest language for me, personally(Okay, if I made a grammar mistake in this post, I'm embarrassed now. )
English is so useless, vocabulary coming back that you will never use if you have a life and get a job that fits the VWO. Grammar is just all repeat. I mean, we got CAPITAL LETTERS lately! I know where to use f*ucking capital letters!
Jesleyh wrote:
@TMM Yes, I can understand that this sounds complicated
I thought the German system was complicated, this is ridiculous!
The German system is extremely complicated. I had 13 years of school, this year twice as much pupils finish school because some had 13 years while others had 12 years. And there are already plans that school can decide to offer 13 years again. Those who finish school this year have to do different subject combinations that i had to do.
And that's only one state. Other states never had 13 years of school, some have three different school levels after 4 years of primary school, some after 6 years and some have comprehensive schools.
Jesleyh wrote:
@TMM Yes, I can understand that this sounds complicated
I thought the German system was complicated, this is ridiculous!
The German system is extremely complicated. I had 13 years of school, this year twice as much pupils finish school because some had 13 years while others had 12 years. And there are already plans that school can decide to offer 13 years again. Those who finish school this year have to do different subject combinations that i had to do.
And that's only one state. Other states never had 13 years of school, some have three different school levels after 4 years of primary school, some after 6 years and some have comprehensive schools.
but i studied the German system as part of my A Level, so i know how it works... mostly...
Jesleyh wrote:
@TMM Yes, I can understand that this sounds complicated
I thought the German system was complicated, this is ridiculous!
The German system is extremely complicated. I had 13 years of school, this year twice as much pupils finish school because some had 13 years while others had 12 years. And there are already plans that school can decide to offer 13 years again. Those who finish school this year have to do different subject combinations that i had to do.
And that's only one state. Other states never had 13 years of school, some have three different school levels after 4 years of primary school, some after 6 years and some have comprehensive schools.
This post seems to make it more complicated. In NL you have the first 8 years for everyone the same. Then everyone picks a level: 4 for VMBO, 5 for HAVO and 6 for VWO. I picked VWO, so I will continue on that. After 3 years in VWO, you have to pick a profile. I picked economy and society, and after another 3 years in VWO you do your exam. Then you have higher education like university
Jesleyh wrote:
@TMM Yes, I can understand that this sounds complicated
I thought the German system was complicated, this is ridiculous!
The German system is extremely complicated. I had 13 years of school, this year twice as much pupils finish school because some had 13 years while others had 12 years. And there are already plans that school can decide to offer 13 years again. Those who finish school this year have to do different subject combinations that i had to do.
And that's only one state. Other states never had 13 years of school, some have three different school levels after 4 years of primary school, some after 6 years and some have comprehensive schools.
Hence why I called it quits after 10 years of school in germany and went to Ireland instead!
And 4 years later I sit my second set of University exams and I still havent moved back
Yes, it isn't even that complicated.
My situation is the same as Selwink's except him being on a higher grade.
Note: You start school from 4/5 instead of 6/7. So the 8 years of the first school here equal the last 6 years of most other countries. Although you don't learn a lot when 4 or 5.
School is for 3/4 filling time and wasting money imo. I dont like maths, but that is also thanks to my current teacher. Explaining 35minutes in a lesson of 45 minutes, literally from the book, apart from some 6-year old mistakes..
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