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| wackojackohighcliffe |
Posted on 21-03-2011 20:49
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the fact that they sit up and give them more time doesn't make the race more interesting. it's when they try to catch them and fail that it's better to watch. |
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| mb2612 |
Posted on 21-03-2011 20:52
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No, because the bunch knows how far the break are ahead, and hence how dangerous the break is, so won't let the break get too far clear.
This also still supports races being less exciting.
Whereas before the break has to fight to stay away, now they just get given days where they are allowed to go, much less fun.
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| issoisso |
Posted on 21-03-2011 20:52
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Either that's only a study on specifically the likelyhood of a bunch sprint when there are race radios, or it's massively oversimplifying the issue.
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| jph27 |
Posted on 21-03-2011 20:56
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Ah, it's a french survey. No race radios = more attacks = more french wins.  |
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| kumazan |
Posted on 21-03-2011 21:01
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I love when people make conclusions from non-conclusive data. Of course a flat stage is going to end in a bunch sprint 9 out of 10 times, and even more if that flat stage is part of the Tour de France. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 21-03-2011 21:03
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kumazan wrote:
I love when people make conclusions from non-conclusive data. Of course a flat stage is going to end in a bunch sprint 9 out of 10 times, and even more if that flat stage is part of the Tour de France.
Honestly, when race radio debates come up, flat stages are the furthest thing from my mind.
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 21-03-2011 21:24
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Even without race radios, you still have that yellow dressed guy on his motorbike giving you the gaps, and back numbers of riders in the breakaway.
Radios lessen the reaction times, and forces riders to think more than if it's just the D.S. telling them where X or Y rider who's in the break stands in the G.C., how strong he's been lately, etc.
Radios reduce chaos. In the end opinions about race radios are a matter of wishing more chaos or more control compared to the present situation. |
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| DJP19 |
Posted on 21-03-2011 22:05
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I like race radios. Banning them was stupid. They prevent chaos and increase the safety for riders. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 21-03-2011 22:15
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DJP19 wrote:
I like race radios. Banning them was stupid. They prevent chaos and increase the safety for riders.
Just as many riders say the opposite as the ones that say that.
The reason? Every time there's a dangerous section of road, everyone is informed over the radio, so everyone tries to get into a good position. So instead of a peloton approaching a dangerous road, you have a peloton approaching a dangerous road fighting hard for position as if a sprint was coming up.
Guess what's more dangerous 
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 21-03-2011 22:16
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An enjoyable cycling race to watch is one where the strongest rider crushes the field. I mean not the field, as the second strongest rider finished second, and the third strongest, well... It's exciting to watch because you could predict before the race what would happen, and... it just happened. Predictable as a replay, that's exciting. No more chaos please.
edit : I do mean the strongest rider, not the best. Slight difference. I have nothing against the best one winning. In a way you're always the best when you win, but not necessarily the strongest.
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| Crommy |
Posted on 22-03-2011 01:33
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| CountArach |
Posted on 22-03-2011 06:11
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Hmm I'm hesitant about the idea of running the entire sport as a business. The first thing that comes to mind is that it may not help for fighting against doping.
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 22-03-2011 06:48
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CountArach wrote:
Hmm I'm hesitant about the idea of running the entire sport as a business. The first thing that comes to mind is that it may not help for fighting against doping. Indeed, but it'd fight efficiently against doping scandals, even more than UCI does. FIFA-like, most likely. |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 22-03-2011 09:28
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Reminds me of McQuaid's open letter:
UCI is aware of steps being taken to set up a private league, World Cycling Tour, outside UCI, by certain team managers. I wonder will the financial benefits they are chasing benefit you, the riders. Somehow I think not! I quote Johan Bruyneel “I've been laying the framework for something great… But you'll just have to wait and see…”
Bruyneel leading a private cycling league? That's worrying.
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| Waghlon |
Posted on 22-03-2011 09:33
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"This could result in professional cycling following a similar path to that of Premier League soccer in Britain, the NBA in the United States or Formula 1 motor racing"
No thank you. Premier League is predictable, NBA is... basketball, and Formula 1 have become incredibly dull to watch over the past decade.
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 22-03-2011 10:25
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Waghlon got the point there..
F1 and NBA had come and greated as Advertising Festival. There is some players ..drivers ..great Advertising faces. We give them more money and also give them more rights to e succesful...this system realy sucks?..They make more money..Yes..but it is not good for the sport.
Why it comes on every year ..between UCI and teams and riders. This is like Palestina-Israel war aleady..they find always a reason to shoot. |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 22-03-2011 10:42
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Philip Nielsen has been cleared.
He tested positive for clenbuterol (along with Alessandro Colo) in Vuelta a Mexico. Colo received a 1-year-ban, but Philip Nielsen won't receive any ban at all.
On the strict liability argument, it's said that Nielsen didn't have a chance of knowing the risks of eating meat in Mexico (where above 20 % of the meat is contaminated).
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So, as I've said before: If you want to dope with clenbuterol, go to Mexico or China. |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 22-03-2011 10:43
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By the way: When is UCI's deadline for appealing the Contador decision? Two days left or something like that? |
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| ANFreeman |
Posted on 22-03-2011 10:47
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Waghlon wrote:
"This could result in professional cycling following a similar path to that of Premier League soccer in Britain, the NBA in the United States or Formula 1 motor racing".
Forumla One + Bernie Ecclestone. Need we say more. The man is eeeeviiiiiil. |
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| Anonymer |
Posted on 22-03-2011 10:54
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CrueTrue wrote:
By the way: When is UCI's deadline for appealing the Contador decision? Two days left or something like that?
Exactly, march 24th is the deadline.
EDIT: Same for WADA, as far as I know
Really hope they will do something, but I'm not really sure it will happen...
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