neve57 wrote:
so you have never seen petacchi done that?
Name an example.
neve57 wrote:
Or farrar?
Name an example.
neve57 wrote:
Bennati? everybody done that...
Name an example.
Bennati 2007 tdf.
Petacchi giro 2007
and come on.... I can see you're point..BUT !
Every sprinter have done it, edvald will do it again, every sprinter will do it again, it just happens.
And the other sprinters have been sprinting 600times, of course it will happen.
Those aren't examples. That's naming a 21 stage race for 2 of them, praying that there's going to be an example somewhere in there, and ignoring the third one.
And yes, it will happen again....and again whoever does it should be disqualified.
you can't say they haven't.
I don't have any proof right this second, but hey come o.
They have participated in about 600 sprints, of course it would happen sometime... but yeah they should be disq.
"I love him, I think he's great. He's transformed the sport in so many ways. Every person in cycling has benefitted from Lance Armstrong, perhaps not financially but in some sense" - Bradley Wiggins on Lance Armstrong
Not nearly as bad, just rewatched his 2 2007 stage wins
ponka00 wrote:
A clear disqualification. This is worse than Cav's because Cavendish actually was helped by a turn, the sprint today was as straight as it can be.
helped by a bend? Go back and re-watch the sprint will you. It was a bulge in the barrier that gave the effect of Cavendish squesing Hushovd out of that one. But i'm over that, and will not argue it any longer.
I meant a bulge, sorry for being too unclear for you
ruben wrote:
Nah they don't do that, it was borderline like I said. He shouldn't push it any more.
Not good for his rep though, this sprint. Ask Brown
Problem is....it's not the first time Hagen does it.
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Another problem arises from being called the "next Eddy Mercx". This is why you shouldn't feed a young person's ego, they start thinking they're allowed to do anything they want to.
The next Merckx? Jesus. And I thought the hype was exaggerated before...
At Hagen's age, Merckx had won 2 San remos, a Flèche, two stages of the Giro and a 9th on GC in his first ever GT (a Giro). Among a host of smaller race wins.
Not to mention that at this age Merckx was the reigning world champion
And then there's Merckx's youth results which were faaaaaaar more impressive
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rjc_43 wrote:
Another problem arises from being called the "next Eddy Mercx". This is why you shouldn't feed a young person's ego, they start thinking they're allowed to do anything they want to.
It has nothing to do with his ego. He's actually an extremely down-to-earth guy, and if you've seen interviews with him you can see that he is extremely shy. And he barely knows who Eddy Mercx is, and before he won Gent-Wevelgem last year he didn't know about Koppenberg. He's clueless about cycling-history. He's just very inexperienced, and he does stupid mistakes like this fairly often.
He was in-fact afraid of bunchsprint earlier in his career, and refused to participate in them, despite being an excellent sprinter.
He just needs someone to learn him the do's and don'ts of the bunch sprints.
issoisso wrote:
The next Merckx? Jesus. And I thought the hype was exaggerated before...
At Hagen's age, Merckx had won 2 San remos, a Flèche, two stages of the Giro and a 9th on GC in his first ever GT (a Giro). Among a host of smaller race wins.
Not to mention that at this age Merckx was the reigning world champion
And then there's Merckx's youth results which were faaaaaaar more impressive
I think it has something to do with the fact that some people thin that they are similar cycling-types and that they have similar names (Edvald/Eddy), rather then EBH matching Merckx' results.
rjc_43 wrote:
Another problem arises from being called the "next Eddy Mercx". This is why you shouldn't feed a young person's ego, they start thinking they're allowed to do anything they want to.
It has nothing to do with his ego. He's actually an extremely down-to-earth guy, and if you've seen interviews with him you can see that he is extremely shy. And he barely knows who Eddy Mercx is, and before he won Gent-Wevelgem last year he didn't know about Koppenberg. He's clueless about cycling-history. He's just very inexperienced, and he does stupid mistakes like this fairly often.
He was in-fact afraid of bunchsprint earlier in his career, and refused to participate in them, despite being an excellent sprinter.
He just needs someone to learn him the do's and don'ts of the bunch sprints.
I mentioned nothing about his shyness. I said he has been continually made to think he's the next best thing, and when continually told things like that, you tend to think you can't be touched. It has nothing to do with ego.
Cyclingnews as a (poor) example, give, in pretty much every article about EBH, reason to shake your head.
"Boasson Hagen is often called one of the biggest talents of the new generation. The northerner stayed cool once again. "They can say what they want, I just try to race as best as I can.""
Sure, he "stays cool", but being told over and over what you are tends to make you believe it.
""Everyone knows that Edvald is probably the most talented rider in the field right now. He is able to do exactly as he wants, " Wiggins told the Norwegian website VG Nett."
Being afraid of bunch sprints generally means you aren't cut out to be a bunch sprinter. Especially when you're clearly not as fast as the other sprinters, and have to put them in the barriers to win. When he doesn't get to the front, and have barriers to help, he doesn't win. Simple.
rjc_43 wrote:
Another problem arises from being called the "next Eddy Mercx". This is why you shouldn't feed a young person's ego, they start thinking they're allowed to do anything they want to.
It has nothing to do with his ego. He's actually an extremely down-to-earth guy, and if you've seen interviews with him you can see that he is extremely shy. And he barely knows who Eddy Mercx is, and before he won Gent-Wevelgem last year he didn't know about Koppenberg. He's clueless about cycling-history. He's just very inexperienced, and he does stupid mistakes like this fairly often.
He was in-fact afraid of bunchsprint earlier in his career, and refused to participate in them, despite being an excellent sprinter.
He just needs someone to learn him the do's and don'ts of the bunch sprints.
I mentioned nothing about his shyness. I said he has been continually made to think he's the next best thing, and when continually told things like that, you tend to think you can't be touched. It has nothing to do with ego.
Cyclingnews as a (poor) example, give, in pretty much every article about EBH, reason to shake your head.
"Boasson Hagen is often called one of the biggest talents of the new generation. The northerner stayed cool once again. "They can say what they want, I just try to race as best as I can.""
Sure, he "stays cool", but being told over and over what you are tends to make you believe it.
""Everyone knows that Edvald is probably the most talented rider in the field right now. He is able to do exactly as he wants, " Wiggins told the Norwegian website VG Nett."
That's all valid points, but you can't really blame EBH for that? EBH is probably the most down to earth athlete i've ever seen, and i can promise you that his feet is firmly placed on the ground, despite all the praise he has received.
You can criticize his sprinting, but i think it's unfair when you jump to conclusions about his character.
"Especially when you're clearly not as fast as the other sprinters, and have to put them in the barriers to win. When he doesn't get to the front, and have barriers to help, he doesn't win. Simple."
