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| Chemiefan |
Posted on 02-11-2009 18:25
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right they have good hill an cobbleston riders 2010 but not riders for mountains |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 02-11-2009 19:15
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You can be dead sure that BMC is going to the TdF too. |
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| Cordelier |
Posted on 02-11-2009 19:17
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Without Cadel, I don't see much point in inviting Lotto back to the TDF. If I were calling the shots for the ASO, this would be my tour lineup:
Keep:
Cervelo
Saxobank
Rabobank
Garmin
Euskaltel
Columbia
AG2R
Liquigas
Française des Jeux
Caisse d'Epargne
Cofidis
Lampre
BBox
Quickstep
Katusha
Milram
Out:
Lotto
Astana (with or without Contador, they're too messed up)
Agritubel
Skil-Shimano
In:
Radio Shack
Sky
BMC
Vacansoleil |
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| kumazan |
Posted on 02-11-2009 19:26
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Cordelier wrote:
Without Cadel, I don't see much point in inviting Lotto back to the TDF. If I were calling the shots for the ASO, this would be my tour lineup:
Keep:
Cervelo
Saxobank
Rabobank
Garmin
Euskaltel
Columbia
AG2R
Liquigas
Française des Jeux
Caisse d'Epargne
Cofidis
Lampre
BBox
Quickstep
Katusha
Milram
Out:
Lotto
Astana (with or without Contador, they're too messed up)
Agritubel
Skil-Shimano
In:
Radio Shack
Sky
BMC
Vacansoleil
No way Contador's out of the next TdF. And I hardly see Lotto out before Milram or Sky. |
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| Stijn_vranken |
Posted on 02-11-2009 19:28
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Why lotto out? VandenBroeck showed great potential this year.
he's a possible top 10 finisher
a lot better then some other teams you wanna keep in
and like i said before . ASO will never allow 4 american teams to participate (Radioshack,Columbia, BMC (50% american) & garmin)
they have this (secret) rule that does not allow that.
like there can only be max 3 belgian teams, 2 dutch ,...
Edited by Stijn_vranken on 02-11-2009 19:50
prevent hangovers --> stay drunk
pozzato, basically the most stupid cyclist around
RIP WW. Gone but not forgotten
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| Stijn_vranken |
Posted on 02-11-2009 19:29
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aavf wrote:
Stijn_vranken wrote:
well according to a belgian newspaper (source austalian newspaper)he says the folowing
1) with BMC i get all the freedom i want
2) the atmosphere is mucht better at BMC
3) BMC has riders who would work for me 100% starting day one
4)BMC has the riders capable (physically to do that).
Not in the mountains, they're even weaker than Lotto by far.
that is what the newspaper says.
im not making this shit up you know
prevent hangovers --> stay drunk
pozzato, basically the most stupid cyclist around
RIP WW. Gone but not forgotten
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| Cordelier |
Posted on 02-11-2009 19:52
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kumazan wrote:
No way Contador's out of the next TdF. And I hardly see Lotto out before Milram or Sky.
If he stays with Astana, he's out... I'm pretty sure he's going to Caisse d'Epargne, though.
Milram will be in - you've got to have a German team. Vacansoleil would take Lotto's slot in the Benelux teams.
Where it comes to Team Sky, I think they have the momentum - especially if they can pick up Wiggins. Lotto needs to lick it's wounds and decide on it's priorities - do they want to focus on Classics or the Grand Tours? I think they'd be better off trying to shape themselves into a killer Classics team instead of a mediocre Stage Race team. |
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| Cordelier |
Posted on 02-11-2009 20:02
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Stijn_vranken wrote:
Why lotto out? VandenBroeck showed great potential this year.
he's a possible top 10 finisher
a lot better then some other teams you wanna keep in
and like i said before . ASO will never allow 4 american teams to participate (Radioshack,Columbia, BMC (50% american) & garmin)
they have this (secret) rule that does not allow that.
like there can only be max 3 belgian teams, 2 dutch ,...
That's possible, but I can't see them turning away any one of the four - they're not going to want to lose the visibility of Armstrong and Radioshack. Likewise, the Cavendish vs. Ferrar rivalry is too good to pass up. So that leaves BMC - and how can you drop a team with Cadel Evans and George Hincapie on it?
I like Van Den Broeck too... but he's not good enough to build a team around. Maybe if he were a legitimate French GC contender like Feillu, but he's not... so Lotto should get dumped. |
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| Stijn_vranken |
Posted on 02-11-2009 20:03
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Cordelier wrote:
kumazan wrote:
No way Contador's out of the next TdF. And I hardly see Lotto out before Milram or Sky.
If he stays with Astana, he's out... I'm pretty sure he's going to Caisse d'Epargne, though.
Milram will be in - you've got to have a German team. Vacansoleil would take Lotto's slot in the Benelux teams.
why do you think is vacansoleil so much better then lotto?
prevent hangovers --> stay drunk
pozzato, basically the most stupid cyclist around
RIP WW. Gone but not forgotten
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| Inferio |
Posted on 02-11-2009 20:04
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Cordelier wrote:
kumazan wrote:
No way Contador's out of the next TdF. And I hardly see Lotto out before Milram or Sky.
If he stays with Astana, he's out... I'm pretty sure he's going to Caisse d'Epargne, though.
Milram will be in - you've got to have a German team. Vacansoleil would take Lotto's slot in the Benelux teams.
Where it comes to Team Sky, I think they have the momentum - especially if they can pick up Wiggins. Lotto needs to lick it's wounds and decide on it's priorities - do they want to focus on Classics or the Grand Tours? I think they'd be better off trying to shape themselves into a killer Classics team instead of a mediocre Stage Race team.
But I think they are pretty good team for TdF with Van den Broeck, Moreno, Gilbert and probably more news signings... |
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 02-11-2009 20:05
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Cordelier wrote:
I like Van Den Broeck too... but he's not good enough to build a team around. Maybe if he were a legitimate French GC contender like Feillu, but he's not... so Lotto should get dumped.
Since when was Feillu a legitimate GC contender?
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| Cordelier |
Posted on 02-11-2009 20:13
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why do you think is vacansoleil so much better then lotto?
They're a good young team that isn't afraid to mix it up... and they've got Bryce Feillu. Feillu vs. Van Den Broeck - who do you think the ASO is going to pick? |
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| Stijn_vranken |
Posted on 02-11-2009 20:15
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Cordelier wrote:
Stijn_vranken wrote:
Why lotto out? VandenBroeck showed great potential this year.
he's a possible top 10 finisher
a lot better then some other teams you wanna keep in
and like i said before . ASO will never allow 4 american teams to participate (Radioshack,Columbia, BMC (50% american) & garmin)
they have this (secret) rule that does not allow that.
like there can only be max 3 belgian teams, 2 dutch ,...
That's possible, but I can't see them turning away any one of the four - they're not going to want to lose the visibility of Armstrong and Radioshack. Likewise, the Cavendish vs. Ferrar rivalry is too good to pass up. So that leaves BMC - and how can you drop a team with Cadel Evans and George Hincapie on it?
I like Van Den Broeck too... but he's not good enough to build a team around. Maybe if he were a legitimate French GC contender like Feillu, but he's not... so Lotto should get dumped.
they are french logic is unknown to them.
and like they love america so much.... it ain't gonna happen.
prevent hangovers --> stay drunk
pozzato, basically the most stupid cyclist around
RIP WW. Gone but not forgotten
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| Cordelier |
Posted on 02-11-2009 20:16
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SportingNonsense wrote:
Cordelier wrote:
I like Van Den Broeck too... but he's not good enough to build a team around. Maybe if he were a legitimate French GC contender like Feillu, but he's not... so Lotto should get dumped.
Since when was Feillu a legitimate GC contender?
Okay... maybe legitimate was the wrong word to use... but he's an outside shot - he's the next great French hope, and that should be enough to get Vacansoleil into the Tour. |
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| Cordelier |
Posted on 02-11-2009 20:18
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Stijn_vranken wrote:
they are french logic is unknown to them.
and like they love america so much.... it ain't gonna happen.
So who do you figure doesn't get the invite? BMC? |
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| Stijn_vranken |
Posted on 02-11-2009 20:21
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Cordelier wrote:
Stijn_vranken wrote:
they are french logic is unknown to them.
and like they love america so much.... it ain't gonna happen.
So who do you figure doesn't get the invite? BMC?
Guess so due to Evans his bad tour , but then again he's WC.
So someone will surely get dropped
and it will be a major loss.
prevent hangovers --> stay drunk
pozzato, basically the most stupid cyclist around
RIP WW. Gone but not forgotten
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| Cordelier |
Posted on 02-11-2009 20:26
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Inferio wrote:
But I think they are pretty good team for TdF with Van den Broeck, Moreno, Gilbert and probably more news signings...
I think they're trying to have it both ways - they're a Begian team, so they've got to emphasize the Classics, but they have to invest heavily to participate in the GT's... the result is that they aren't reaching their potential in either. They should just build themselves around winning the Classics and maybe the Giro... forget about the TdF - it takes too much away.
Just as a sidenote... I think Cadel would have been a better fit with a team like Euskaltel - can you imagine if he had them supporting him in the Mountains? |
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| Cordelier |
Posted on 02-11-2009 20:30
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Stijn_vranken wrote:
Cordelier wrote:
Stijn_vranken wrote:
they are french logic is unknown to them.
and like they love america so much.... it ain't gonna happen.
So who do you figure doesn't get the invite? BMC?
Guess so due to Evans his bad tour , but then again he's WC.
So someone will surely get dropped
and it will be a major loss.
Evans is probably the second best rider on the pro circuit. He only had a bad tour because he was on a weak team. Of course, he didn't change that much by signing with BMC... but if he were on Euskaltel last year, he would have been on the podium. |
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| Thrige |
Posted on 02-11-2009 20:32
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Cordelier wrote:
Inferio wrote:
But I think they are pretty good team for TdF with Van den Broeck, Moreno, Gilbert and probably more news signings...
I think they're trying to have it both ways - they're a Begian team, so they've got to emphasize the Classics, but they have to invest heavily to participate in the GT's... the result is that they aren't reaching their potential in either. They should just build themselves around winning the Classics and maybe the Giro... forget about the TdF - it takes too much away.
Just as a sidenote... I think Cadel would have been a better fit with a team like Euskaltel - can you imagine if he had them supporting him in the Mountains?
The first one who say, that Evans wont sign Euskaltel, cos' of he's not from Basque, owe me one!  |
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| Stijn_vranken |
Posted on 02-11-2009 20:34
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Cordelier wrote:
Stijn_vranken wrote:
Cordelier wrote:
Stijn_vranken wrote:
they are french logic is unknown to them.
and like they love america so much.... it ain't gonna happen.
So who do you figure doesn't get the invite? BMC?
Guess so due to Evans his bad tour , but then again he's WC.
So someone will surely get dropped
and it will be a major loss.
Evans is probably the second best rider on the pro circuit. He only had a bad tour because he was on a weak team. Of course, he didn't change that much by signing with BMC... but if he were on Euskaltel last year, he would have been on the podium.
well if his team mates do better then him.
i don't think the team has much to do with it
prevent hangovers --> stay drunk
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