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| Wyman |
Posted on 13-05-2009 19:28
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Goldberger wrote:
Maybe Bruseghin had to help Cunego, if so waste of time 
To be fair Bruseghin was dropped before Cunego, Then caught him and dropped him in the last km, i saw Cunego was sat behind him with 350m to go but lost around 20 secs by finish
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 13-05-2009 19:28
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Michal4444 wrote:
alexkr00 wrote:
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Hey Bruseghin, what happened? 3rd last year, and suddenly this year....nothing 
Cunego.
If you are right then I will laugh my lungs out of me....
I didn't see the stage, but on the youtube videos I saw someone from Lampre carring Cunego in his wheel. Wasn't that Bruseghin?
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 13-05-2009 19:28
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mb2612 wrote:
The thing is, I don't think there are any tough mountain finishes left, the queen stage has a lon decent, and doesn't look that bad. Then Blockhaus has been halved so that and vesuvius arn't really long enough to do any damage to the overall riders.
Come on..we finished today just fifth stage.. There is plenty of time to see big falls..and rises.
Sry. Lövkvist fans ..but this great rider (I like him)..will have real hard weeks ahead. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 13-05-2009 19:29
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On the "clean peloton" bit, gimme a few minutes, and as soon as doddy tells me how long it took them to climb the final ascent, I'll tell you how their relative climbing power compares to previous years
(let's see if it follows the trend of riders getting significantly worse from year to year)
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| Bosskardo |
Posted on 13-05-2009 19:31
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If Lampre still makes Bruseghin work for Cunego then i wont mention Cunego or Lampre without adding a curse word.
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| Wyman |
Posted on 13-05-2009 19:31
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issoisso wrote:
On the "clean peloton" bit, gimme a few minutes, and as soon as doddy tells me how long it took them to climb the final ascent, I'll tell you how their relative climbing power compares to previous years
(let's see if it follows the trend of riders getting significantly worse from year to year)
Good stuff i was wondering that myself, is he going from siusi or the initial asscent of around 23km
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 13-05-2009 19:31
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issoisso wrote:
On the "clean peloton" bit, gimme a few minutes, and as soon as doddy tells me how long it took them to climb the final ascent, I'll tell you how their relative climbing power compares to previous years
(let's see if it follows the trend of riders getting significantly worse from year to year)
Yes..I will wait results for that. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 13-05-2009 19:34
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But just to give you an idea:
Contador after 16 stages of a gruellingly tough Tour de France, getting more and more tired every day, very very tired on the final climb at the end of a tremendously hard stage with many climbs in 2007: 435 watts
Contador in self-confessed "best form of his life" on a mountain at the end of an otherwise flat stage, after a bunch of other flat stages at Paris-Nice 2009 (so, not tired at all): 425 watts
So that says a lot, eh?
Edited by issoisso on 13-05-2009 19:35
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| issoisso |
Posted on 13-05-2009 19:34
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Wyman wrote:
issoisso wrote:
On the "clean peloton" bit, gimme a few minutes, and as soon as doddy tells me how long it took them to climb the final ascent, I'll tell you how their relative climbing power compares to previous years
(let's see if it follows the trend of riders getting significantly worse from year to year)
Good stuff i was wondering that myself, is he going from siusi or the initial asscent of around 23km
I asked him for the time for the final climb only (around 10.5kms)
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| lagetcher |
Posted on 13-05-2009 19:34
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I'm so disappointed to have not been able to watch the stage today. I still can't believe Wiggins finished just outside the top 20  |
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| Wyman |
Posted on 13-05-2009 19:37
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issoisso wrote:
But just to give you an idea:
Contador after 16 stages of a gruellingly tough Tour de France, getting more and more tired every day, very very tired on the final climb at the end of a tremendously hard stage with many climbs in 2007: 435 watts
Contador in self-confessed "best form of his life" on a mountain at the end of an otherwise flat stage, after a bunch of other flat stages at Paris-Nice 2009 (so, not tired at all): 425 watts
So that says a lot, eh?
i'd like to see one of Cunego 2006 Alp d'huez compared to 2008, would be amusing 
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 13-05-2009 19:43
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Wyman wrote:
i'd like to see one of Cunego 2006 Alp d'huez compared to 2008, would be amusing
Like 430 and 250... |
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| Wyman |
Posted on 13-05-2009 19:43
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I guess you use constants for friction and air speed, if so what are these as i may be tempted to work that Cunego one out
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| mattiasgt |
Posted on 13-05-2009 19:46
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issoisso wrote:
Wyman wrote:
issoisso wrote:
On the "clean peloton" bit, gimme a few minutes, and as soon as doddy tells me how long it took them to climb the final ascent, I'll tell you how their relative climbing power compares to previous years
(let's see if it follows the trend of riders getting significantly worse from year to year)
Good stuff i was wondering that myself, is he going from siusi or the initial asscent of around 23km
I asked him for the time for the final climb only (around 10.5kms)
From 10 km it took 29 minutes for Menchov.
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| Wyman |
Posted on 13-05-2009 19:46
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Guido Mukk wrote:
Wyman wrote:
i'd like to see one of Cunego 2006 Alp d'huez compared to 2008, would be amusing
Like 430 and 250...
Haha not quite that extreme and i dont think he would be capable of 430 even if he was heavily doped xD
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| ruben |
Posted on 13-05-2009 20:06
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CrueTrue wrote:
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There was never proof for the names of Menchov, etc etc. NONE. Kohl and Rasmussen on the other hand both had Matschiner as manager.
But there is NO, really NONE evidence that Menchov is involved in HumanPlasma. So I don't take that seriously.
Let them come up with proof, even a document with printed names, like OP, then we'll talk. So far, we have seen NOTHING of the sort. Only a message in German newspapers were they 'heard that Menchov might be involved', and that's it.
If we are going to judge on those messages, than sorry, everyone is doped. Even I can make up names and involve them with known doping cases that way.
As long as there is no SLIGHTEST proof, you should not name Menchov.
I can't and won't deny that there's no proof. There's no proof either that Rasmussen is or was involved anything doping-related, but that doesn't make him less suspicious, does it?
Oh, it's also worth mentioning that Dekker is said to have been involved with Matschiner, hence why Ruben is suddenly concerned about 'prove' and facts Dekker hasn't even heard of Matschiner, dekkers manager was Hanegraaf first and now Eelco and Martijn Berkhout.
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| fefj |
Posted on 13-05-2009 20:11
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Guido Mukk wrote:
mb2612 wrote:
The thing is, I don't think there are any tough mountain finishes left, the queen stage has a lon decent, and doesn't look that bad. Then Blockhaus has been halved so that and vesuvius arn't really long enough to do any damage to the overall riders.
Come on..we finished today just fifth stage.. There is plenty of time to see big falls..and rises.
Sry. Lövkvist fans ..but this great rider (I like him)..will have real hard weeks ahead.
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 13-05-2009 20:17
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also we still didn't see an attack from any of the favourites. In both stages they pretty much finished together, just a few seconds lost today to Menchov by some of them. So Lovkvist just had to hang on the group.
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| issoisso |
Posted on 13-05-2009 20:28
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Wyman wrote:
i'd like to see one of Cunego 2006 Alp d'huez compared to 2008, would be amusing
2006 Alpe d'Huez wasn't very fast at all. It was pretty slow.
Anyway, IF my calculations for today's stage are correct
I will have to show that I'm as good as before the suspension, otherwise I will have no credibility when I say I did not dope - Ivan Basso
Congratulations Ivan. You have no credibility.
Menchov: 415 watts of relative power
For reference:
Bjarne Riis, Hautacam 1996, 480w 
Basso, Monte Bondone, 2006 Giro: 460w
Landis, Alpe d'Huez, 2006 Tour: 440w
Rasmussen and Contador, Plateau de Beille, 2007 Tour: 435w
Sastre, Alpe d'Huez, 2008 Tour: 430w
LeMond, a cyclist tremendously more gifted than any current one, and from "the clean age": 400w
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| Smowz |
Posted on 13-05-2009 20:32
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I think the other decisive stages in this years giro will be stage 10 (the adapted seistriere 'queen' stage), stage 12 (lengthy lumpy TT) and stage 16 (a real nasty mountain finish mentioned previously).
Stage 17 (Blockhaus), Stage 19 (vesuvius) and the Rome TT (stage 21) could be interesting if things remain as they are with small time gaps.
Tomorrows stage (six), saturdays stage (eight) and the ones a weekend after that (stage 14 and 15) calls for attention I think also.
I am excited to see how things play out, yes Di Luca, Menchov, Sastre, Basso, leiphiemer look great right now - alpe de suisi was a grinding GT mountain stage. Not sure it will quite as comfortable for some of those guys on the more punchy acceleration stages. Astana, I feel will have to try something a little different if they want to win this one - I feel the same about Liquigas as well. |
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