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| Biathlon |
Posted on 13-05-2009 18:52
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Ruben wrote:
CrueTrue wrote:
Biathlon wrote:
alexkr00 wrote:
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Astana is now 100% clean!!
just like Gerolsteiner
No not like Gerol.
Menchov just won today. So maybe we shall say he use dope to?
He definitely did previously as he is (or was?) a part of the Humanplasma case (along with Boogerd, Rasmussen and one more).
Which had no proof at all btw, (not in the slightest comparable to Puerto)
I'm suprised you still take that seriously.
But is it any proof that Astana isn't clean now?
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 13-05-2009 18:55
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And I don't see why one wouldn't take the Human Plasma case seriously.
It's a fact that Human Plasma has or had 30 athletes as customers, one of them being Kohl. Menchov has been named along with Rasmussen, Totschnig, Boogerd, Christian Hoffmann (some guy from the skiing sports).
Michael Rasmussen is very likely to have got his doping from there. His manager was at the time Stefan Matschiner who's also Kohl's manager. Matschiner has now been arrested for being Kohl's supplier, and Kohl has revealed that he wasn't the only one using Matschiner for illegal purposes. |
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| viking90 |
Posted on 13-05-2009 19:00
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issoisso wrote:
He's not that good at all. His chances would be slim if he was in top form. Which he isn't at all.
And he's here for a training ride and to help the team.
issoisso about T.Lövkvist will win the youth jersey
I will add this one to my memory, right now it´s quite good chanche for Lövkvist to win it but it´s many stages left I know but look at the standings right now :
1 Thomas Lövkvist (Swe) Team Columbia - Highroad 16.20.49
2 Kevin Seeldrayers (Bel) Quick Step + 2.44 |
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| Smowz |
Posted on 13-05-2009 19:02
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Great stage today, managed to nip home and watch the last hour. It reminded me somewhat of the TdF stage Menchov won in the pyrennees. I felt a bit sorry for Basso at the end there I feel Liquigas could have played it better had they already decided who the team leader was!
Leiphiemer/Basso and Menchov will be watching each other for sure but whats intriguing is that there are many other cards to play. Both Astana and Liquigas have other strong cards to play in Pellizotti and Astanas numerous relatively high GC riders.
Tomorrows stage will be interesting, will the disappointed Lampre try to set it up for Cunego only for him to fail again or will LPR look to control or will a breakaway be allowed to get away and take the stage and the jersey?
Finally, I like all of you was watching with disbelief at the rides of Lovkvist (and in a patriotic sense Wiggins) its always nice to see riders climbing to new heights! |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 13-05-2009 19:04
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viking90 wrote:
Lovkvist's performance was fucking insane.
We'll see in a couple of weeks.
If it turns out the impossible is possible and I'm wrong...well, I'm still very happy with my predictions. 99% accurate or so 
And since you pulled up the subject of predictions, what happened to the people telling me Sastre and Menchov weren't going to do anything at all?
Edited by issoisso on 13-05-2009 19:08
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 13-05-2009 19:06
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Smowz wrote:
Great stage today, managed to nip home and watch the last hour. It reminded me somewhat of the TdF stage Menchov won in the pyrennees. I felt a bit sorry for Basso at the end there I feel Liquigas could have played it better had they already decided who the team leader was!
Menchov won the TdF stage after a great work by Boogerd and Rasmussen. And also he there was a fight in 3, but the attack looked like that one in some way.
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| ruben |
Posted on 13-05-2009 19:09
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CrueTrue wrote:
And I don't see why one wouldn't take the Human Plasma case seriously.
It's a fact that Human Plasma has or had 30 athletes as customers, one of them being Kohl. Menchov has been named along with Rasmussen, Totschnig, Boogerd, Christian Hoffmann (some guy from the skiing sports).
Michael Rasmussen is very likely to have got his doping from there. His manager was at the time Stefan Matschiner who's also Kohl's manager. Matschiner has now been arrested for being Kohl's supplier, and Kohl has revealed that he wasn't the only one using Matschiner for illegal purposes.
There was never proof for the names of Menchov, etc etc. NONE. Kohl and Rasmussen on the other hand both had Matschiner as manager.
But there is NO, really NONE evidence that Menchov is involved in HumanPlasma. So I don't take that seriously.
Let them come up with proof, even a document with printed names, like OP, then we'll talk. So far, we have seen NOTHING of the sort. Only a message in German newspapers were they 'heard that Menchov might be involved', and that's it.
If we are going to judge on those messages, than sorry, everyone is doped. Even I can make up names and involve them with known doping cases that way.
As long as there is no SLIGHTEST proof, you should not name Menchov. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 13-05-2009 19:13
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So....
Sastre.Leipheimer and Basso tend to be bad in the initial mountain stages, and very good at the end of three weeks.
The fact that they were very much up there today is very telling.
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| viking90 |
Posted on 13-05-2009 19:14
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issoisso wrote:
viking90 wrote:
Lovkvist's performance was fucking insane.
We'll see in a couple of weeks.
If it turns out the impossible is possible and I'm wrong...well, I'm still very happy with my predictions. 99% accurate or so
And since you pulled up the subject of predictions, what happened to the people telling me Sastre and Menchov weren't going to do anything at all?
yeah we will see.
hmm i don´t now, it was not me well ? If it was me I regret deeply. |
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| mrlol |
Posted on 13-05-2009 19:17
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heh, Menchov said he's still not at peak fitness (source: wwwrabosport.nl) |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 13-05-2009 19:19
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viking90 wrote:
yeah we will see.
hmm i don´t now, it was not me well ? If it was me I regret deeply.
Don't think so, but I can't really remember who it was. It was like 3 or 4 people on this forum, but I can't remember who.
Hey Bruseghin, what happened? 3rd last year, and suddenly this year....nothing
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 13-05-2009 19:20
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I would like to se that cyclingnews ladder guy face now..who was giving Cunego 4 stars..Armstrong 3.5 (and all that because he crashed..without that who knows)..and then 1,5 to Sastre.
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 13-05-2009 19:22
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issoisso wrote:
Hey Bruseghin, what happened? 3rd last year, and suddenly this year....nothing
Cunego.
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| Goldberger |
Posted on 13-05-2009 19:22
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Maybe Bruseghin had to help Cunego, if so waste of time |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 13-05-2009 19:23
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Ruben wrote:
There was never proof for the names of Menchov, etc etc. NONE. Kohl and Rasmussen on the other hand both had Matschiner as manager.
But there is NO, really NONE evidence that Menchov is involved in HumanPlasma. So I don't take that seriously.
Let them come up with proof, even a document with printed names, like OP, then we'll talk. So far, we have seen NOTHING of the sort. Only a message in German newspapers were they 'heard that Menchov might be involved', and that's it.
If we are going to judge on those messages, than sorry, everyone is doped. Even I can make up names and involve them with known doping cases that way.
As long as there is no SLIGHTEST proof, you should not name Menchov.
I can't and won't deny that there's no proof. There's no proof either that Rasmussen is or was involved anything doping-related, but that doesn't make him less suspicious, does it?
Oh, it's also worth mentioning that Dekker is said to have been involved with Matschiner, hence why Ruben is suddenly concerned about 'prove' and facts |
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| Michal4444 |
Posted on 13-05-2009 19:23
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alexkr00 wrote:
issoisso wrote:
Hey Bruseghin, what happened? 3rd last year, and suddenly this year....nothing
Cunego.
If you are right then I will laugh my lungs out of me.... |
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| mb2612 |
Posted on 13-05-2009 19:24
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The thing is, I don't think there are any tough mountain finishes left, the queen stage has a lon decent, and doesn't look that bad. Then Blockhaus has been halved so that and vesuvius arn't really long enough to do any damage to the overall riders.
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| Wyman |
Posted on 13-05-2009 19:25
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issoisso wrote:
Looking at Lovkvist, Wiggins and Cunego, I'm going to go with the optimistic route and say "I do believe cycling is cleaner"
That's exactly what i was thinking, that and the fact there wasn't a real attack as such by the leaders, would have loved to have been on that mountain at the end, i would have been going crazy watching brad xD
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 13-05-2009 19:26
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Wyman wrote:
issoisso wrote:
Looking at Lovkvist, Wiggins and Cunego, I'm going to go with the optimistic route and say "I do believe cycling is cleaner"
That's exactly what i was thinking, that and the fact there wasn't a real attack as such by the leaders, would have loved to have been on that mountain at the end, i would have been going crazy watching brad xD
In fact, that's what we've been seeing pretty much all year long - no attacks on the really tough stages. Remember MSR? |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 13-05-2009 19:27
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Nope, donkey-boy (Bruseghin) got dropped after Cunego, then Cunego caught him, then he dropped Cunego again.
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