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| aas169 |
Posted on 03-09-2011 18:03
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Why is the amount of believers in Mollema this low
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Posted on 03-09-2011 18:11
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I´m still laughing at Katusha. First Moreno attacks, then they waste two guys to get a minute advantage and then Moreno just wheel-sucks until they get caught again
Rodriguez once more showed why he can´t win a grand tour, Nibali´s weakness surprised me. Can´t wait for the Angliuru
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Posted on 03-09-2011 18:11
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It was a fantastic stage as far as us Brits are concerned, I am not sure whether they wanted to bring Cobo back as they may be concerned about Mollema eeking time back on bonuses.
I have been thinking all week about Wiggins and I have to look back at previous climbs of it:
2008:
| 1 Alberto Contador Velasco (Spa) Astana 5.52.35 (35.65 km/h) | | 2 Alejandro Valverde Belmonte (Spa) Caisse d'Epargne 0.42 | | 3 Joaquin Rodriguez (Spa) Caisse d'Epargne 0.58 | | 4 Levi Leipheimer (USA) Astana 1.05 | | 5 Carlos Sastre Candil (Spa) Team CSC - Saxo Bank 1.32 | | 6 Robert Gesink (Ned) Rabobank 1.56 | | 7 Ezequiel Mosquera Miguez (Spa) Xacobeo Galicia 2.18 | | 8 Oliver Zaugg (Swi) Gerolsteiner 2.28 | | 9 Damiano Cunego (Ita) Lampre 2.43 | | 10 Daniel Moreno Fernandez (Spa) Caisse d'Epargne 3.01 | | 11 Davide Rebellin (Ita) Gerolsteiner 4.08 | | 12 David Moncoutié (Fra) Cofidis - Le Crédit par Téléphone | | 13 Alberto Losada Alguacil (Spa) Caisse d'Epargne 4.30 | | 14 Nicolas Roche (Irl) Crédit Agricole 4.44 | | 15 John Gadret (Fra) AG2R La Mondiale 4.52 |
1999:
| 1 José M. Jimenez Sastre (Spa) Banesto 4.52.04 | | 2 Pavel Tonkov (Rus) Mapei-Quick Step | | 3 Roberto Heras Hernandez (Spa) Kelme-Costa Blanca 1.01 | | 4 Manuel Beltran Martinez (Spa) Banesto 1.13 | | 5 Abraham Olano Manzano (Spa) ONCE-Deutsche Bank 1.44 | | 6 Leonardo Piepoli (Ita) Banesto 2.03 | | 7 Jan Ullrich (Ger) Team Deutsche Telekom 2.45 | | 8 José L. Rubiera Vigil (Spa) Kelme-Costa Blanca 2.45 | | 9 Davide Rebellin (Ita) Team Polti 3.00 | | 10 Igor Gonzalez Galdeano (Spa) Vitalicio Seguros 3.09 | | 11 Roberto Laiseka Jaio (Spa) Euskaltel-Euskadi 3.09 | | 12 Santiago Blanco (Spa) Vitalicio Seguros 3.16 | | 13 Angel Casero (Spa) Vitalicio Seguros 3.34 | | 14 Nicola Miceli (Ita) Liquigas 4.41 | | 15 Aitor Osa Eizaguirre (Spa) Banesto 5.04 |
2000:
| 1 Gilberto Simoni (Ita) Lampre Daikin 4.37.34 (36.42 km/h) | | 2 Jan Hruska (Cze) Vitalicio Seguros 2.19 | | 3 Roberto Heras Hernandez (Spa) Kelme-Costa Blanca 2.58 | | 4 Tomas Brozyna (Pol) Banesto 3.11 | | 5 Pavel Tonkov (Rus) Mapei-Quick Step 4.27 | | 6 Roberto Laiseka Jaio (Spa) Euskaltel-Euskadi | | 7 Laurent Brochard (Fra) Jean Delatour 4.44 | | 8 Raimundas Rumsas (Ltu) Fassa Bortolo 5.16 | | 9 Gorka Gerrikagoitia Arrien (Spa) Euskaltel-Euskadi | | 10 Fernando EscartÃn (Spa) Kelme-Costa Blanca 5.46 | | 11 Rafael Diaz Justo (Spa) ONCE-Deutsche Bank | | 12 Txema Del Olmo Zendegi (Spa) Euskaltel-Euskadi 5.48 | | 13 Richard Virenque (Fra) Team Polti 6.39 | | 14 Angel Casero Moreno (Spa) Festina Watches | | 15 Manuel Beltran Martinez (Spa) Mapei-Quick Step 6.52 |
I look at guys like Valverde and Olano going pretty well on the climb and question whether Wiggins is going to collapse. But then again he seemed pretty knackered at the finish today!
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| ember |
Posted on 03-09-2011 18:22
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I feel pretty sure Wiggins won't collapse tomorrow. He has showed through the whole Vuelta that he's strong on the climbs, setting his own pace. If he does that tomorrow, he won't loose much time to any, if any time at all. Sky has an amazing position anyway, with Froome sitting second, will he be allowed to "take" time on Wiggins tomorrow, if he's stronger than him, and Mollema/Cobo also proves stronger than Wiggins?
A couple of days ago, I said Mollema will win it overall, and I still think he stands a great chance at it. But he will need 20 seconds, at least on Wiggins tomorrow, then it's wide open, as especially stage 17 could very well be a stage win and 20 bonus seconds for Mollema.
Anyway, it will be an absolutely thrilling stage tomorrow, the stage should narrow down the list of possible winners to maximum 2, but which 2 will that be?
And after today's stage, Cobo is a dark horse, a strong one too, he could go all the way, just like Wiggins, Froome or Mollema could. Can't wait for Angliru!
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Posted on 03-09-2011 18:27
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Smowz wrote:
But then again he seemed pretty knackered at the finish today!
not as knackered as all the riders he dropped. of course he's going to look knackered, he'd just finished a mountain stage at the top of a massive mountain.
everyone seems to think that all of these favourites who have failed throughout the Vuelta are suddenly going to find their legs and attack Wiggins on the hardest mountain of the tour. If they haven't been able to do it so far why are they suddenly going to be able to do it on the Angliuru?
yes the climb might not suite Wiggo, but he is obviously much stronger then anyone else there. and with Froome at his side right to the top i simply can't see the likes of Nibali, Fuglsang, Rodriguez or Cobo single handedly dropping Wiggins and Froome. |
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Posted on 03-09-2011 18:30
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ringo182 wrote:
Smowz wrote:
But then again he seemed pretty knackered at the finish today!
not as knackered as all the riders he dropped. of course he's going to look knackered, he'd just finished a mountain stage at the top of a massive mountain.
everyone seems to think that all of these favourites who have failed throughout the Vuelta are suddenly going to find their legs and attack Wiggins on the hardest mountain of the tour. If they haven't been able to do it so far why are they suddenly going to be able to do it on the Angliuru?
yes the climb might not suite Wiggo, but he is obviously much stronger then anyone else there. and with Froome at his side right to the top i simply can't see the likes of Nibali, Fuglsang, Rodriguez or Cobo single handedly dropping Wiggins and Froome.
So you don't see Cobo doing tomorrow what he already did today on a much easier climb?
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| mb2612 |
Posted on 03-09-2011 18:31
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If Wiggins drops, is Froome allowed to go alone?
Surely he should be.
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Posted on 03-09-2011 18:32
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ringo182 wrote:
Smowz wrote:
But then again he seemed pretty knackered at the finish today!
not as knackered as all the riders he dropped. of course he's going to look knackered, he'd just finished a mountain stage at the top of a massive mountain.
everyone seems to think that all of these favourites who have failed throughout the Vuelta are suddenly going to find their legs and attack Wiggins on the hardest mountain of the tour. If they haven't been able to do it so far why are they suddenly going to be able to do it on the Angliuru?
yes the climb might not suite Wiggo, but he is obviously much stronger then anyone else there. and with Froome at his side right to the top i simply can't see the likes of Nibali, Fuglsang, Rodriguez or Cobo single handedly dropping Wiggins and Froome.
I'm pretty sure no one said that Nibali, Fuglsang, Rodriguez or Cobo (well except Cobo) are the ones that will be challenging Wiggins tomorrow.
Mollema is the man that can challenge Wiggins, for 2 reasons: because he is quite close in the GC and looked better in the uphill finishes from the previous stages even though it's true that Angliru is a total different thing from what he had so far.
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Posted on 03-09-2011 18:32
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mb2612 wrote:
If Wiggins drops, is Froome allowed to go alone?
Surely he should be.
I hope he will. I also think the Angliru might suit Froome better than Wiggins.
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Posted on 03-09-2011 18:38
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Also, looking at past results, you don't need to crack on Angliru to lose massive time so Wiggins doesn't need to crack tomorrow to lose red. Don't get me wrong, I like Wiggins especially after I saw him doing some work by himself today on the final climb (not like some other team leaders that don't even help their team - mates in a TEAM time - trial), but I really want Mollema to do well.
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Posted on 03-09-2011 18:46
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aas169 wrote:
Why is the amount of believers in Mollema this low because people here always go by reputation not actual strength.
However it's still more likely to be Cobo vs Wiggins now. Mollema to hold on for 3rd place because Froome will probably have to sacrifise himself and falter |
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Posted on 03-09-2011 18:53
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issoisso wrote:
ringo182 wrote:
Smowz wrote:
But then again he seemed pretty knackered at the finish today!
not as knackered as all the riders he dropped. of course he's going to look knackered, he'd just finished a mountain stage at the top of a massive mountain.
everyone seems to think that all of these favourites who have failed throughout the Vuelta are suddenly going to find their legs and attack Wiggins on the hardest mountain of the tour. If they haven't been able to do it so far why are they suddenly going to be able to do it on the Angliuru?
yes the climb might not suite Wiggo, but he is obviously much stronger then anyone else there. and with Froome at his side right to the top i simply can't see the likes of Nibali, Fuglsang, Rodriguez or Cobo single handedly dropping Wiggins and Froome.
So you don't see Cobo doing tomorrow what he already did today on a much easier climb?
nope. he'll be a marked man now.
i see the same as happened today. Froome and Wiggins will set pace and one by one drop the other favourites. |
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Posted on 03-09-2011 18:57
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I don't mind who wins. All of those top-4 riders deserve it. And I like them all. As for Fuglsang, I really don't like him much, but I had a little idea he'd might be a surprise.
Machado today... lost 20 minutes... I heard he stayed behind with Zubeldia because of a mechanical of the spanish. Hopefuly he'll try a break in the next days. Top-35 should be nice now. |
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Posted on 03-09-2011 19:29
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ringo182 wrote:
issoisso wrote:
ringo182 wrote:
Smowz wrote:
But then again he seemed pretty knackered at the finish today!
not as knackered as all the riders he dropped. of course he's going to look knackered, he'd just finished a mountain stage at the top of a massive mountain.
everyone seems to think that all of these favourites who have failed throughout the Vuelta are suddenly going to find their legs and attack Wiggins on the hardest mountain of the tour. If they haven't been able to do it so far why are they suddenly going to be able to do it on the Angliuru?
yes the climb might not suite Wiggo, but he is obviously much stronger then anyone else there. and with Froome at his side right to the top i simply can't see the likes of Nibali, Fuglsang, Rodriguez or Cobo single handedly dropping Wiggins and Froome.
So you don't see Cobo doing tomorrow what he already did today on a much easier climb?
nope. he'll be a marked man now.
i see the same as happened today. Froome and Wiggins will set pace and one by one drop the other favourites.
Except Froome and Wiggins set pace before and after Cobo attacked with no interruptions and Cobo first got away, then steadily increased his lead
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Posted on 03-09-2011 19:52
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ruben wrote:
aas169 wrote:
Why is the amount of believers in Mollema this low because people here always go by reputation not actual strength.
However it's still more likely to be Cobo vs Wiggins now. Mollema to hold on for 3rd place because Froome will probably have to sacrifise himself and falter
I'm still gonna hope for it though, I mean 37 seconds is like nothing, oculd very easily happen.
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Posted on 03-09-2011 19:56
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To make Ruben happy, I must say that because of 3rd week stages profile Mollema actually have a pretty good chance to take the glory. |
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Posted on 03-09-2011 19:58
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Posted on 03-09-2011 20:54
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I don't how Wiggins will fair tomorrow on the Angliru. I didn't believe it was that hard until looking at the climb profile. 23.5 percent!
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Posted on 03-09-2011 21:45
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Dave Brailsford: Hi Bradley, how are you doing?
Bradley Wiggins: Pretty good, to be honest.
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Bradley: Why? What do you me... Oh no!
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Posted on 03-09-2011 21:48
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issoisso wrote:
ringo182 wrote:
issoisso wrote:
ringo182 wrote:
Smowz wrote:
But then again he seemed pretty knackered at the finish today!
not as knackered as all the riders he dropped. of course he's going to look knackered, he'd just finished a mountain stage at the top of a massive mountain.
everyone seems to think that all of these favourites who have failed throughout the Vuelta are suddenly going to find their legs and attack Wiggins on the hardest mountain of the tour. If they haven't been able to do it so far why are they suddenly going to be able to do it on the Angliuru?
yes the climb might not suite Wiggo, but he is obviously much stronger then anyone else there. and with Froome at his side right to the top i simply can't see the likes of Nibali, Fuglsang, Rodriguez or Cobo single handedly dropping Wiggins and Froome.
So you don't see Cobo doing tomorrow what he already did today on a much easier climb?
nope. he'll be a marked man now.
i see the same as happened today. Froome and Wiggins will set pace and one by one drop the other favourites.
Except Froome and Wiggins set pace before and after Cobo attacked with no interruptions and Cobo first got away, then steadily increased his lead
Actually no, I rewatched the footage. Cobo attacked before they set pace. Afterwards Cobo had a max lead of 35 seconds. And in the final km he lsot 15 seconds to Poels and 10 to Froome/Wiggins
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