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| Whatsup |
Posted on 17-06-2010 21:33
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Wilier wrote:
So Uruguay and Mexico will need at least a draw in the last game to advance to the next round.
means Game over or fly back home, or get a heart, have a will or whatnot
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Posted on 17-06-2010 21:40
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Watched the end of the Greece - Nigeria game. 10 man Nigeria were struggling against Greece before the winner - but that was yet another sucker punch for Africa. Looked at plenty of replays of the sending off, there is a fine line and I think the Nigerian crosses it.
Tonights game was a close battle for the first hour (albeit with Mexico looking the most likely to score) then Mexico got the marginal decision (not sure whether he was onside or offside but it was marginal either way) after a scrappy second half opening.
France showed almost nothing in the second half, then at the end almost all the subs were behind the goal with Domenech at the dug out. Wonderful entertainment!
I should imagine Mexico and Uruguay will want to avoid playing Argentina in the second round. So Mexico will need to try to win, as bad as France were I still think they are better than the host nation so France could win that (but not by much). |
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Posted on 17-06-2010 21:43
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The players are heartless and have no will. That's just ugly. It's fair to admit that France deserve to get damned. Don't generalise, but it's indeed the feeling I have. You can change the players (as long as you pick them from the same group), you can change the system, the tactic, the coach or whatever you want, as long as they won't care, they won't be going anywhere.
My main reproach to Domenech is that he didn't go far enough in his logic (the one that left Benzema and Nasri home, because no matter what they're worth as players, they're true assholes in a group of player), and should have left home another dozen of players.
But he hoped that having the potential there, with some victories the problems would be gone and the team play at its theoretical level (we're among the best 10 teams overall, if you only consider the potential of players individually).
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So Mexico will need to try to win, as bad as France were I still think they are better than the host nation so France could win that (but not by much). Problem is winning implies scoring, which seems to be problematic at the moment... I have little doubt we'll dominate though. 
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Posted on 17-06-2010 22:10
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Oh yeah Aqua, we agree! Btw first half I wondered what the hell Anelka was doing?? Just walking on pitch like a f* b*. If you do not want to play, do not come on - unfortunately I had expected it. I have trouble feeling the spirit in that squad as there is obviously none.
The players got condemned by themselves. They kept quarrelling one another, which sparked a poor play. Wake up Children! I keep my faith in France - not in that stupid squad
Omited to say that Mexico played correctly and deserved the lead as well. It'll be all the same pretty hard for them to not get edged out in the knockout stage.
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Posted on 17-06-2010 22:35
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Has anyone else noticed that Diego Forlan and Fillipo Pozzato look very similar?
 
Ok, these photos aren't all that good for comparing, but they have pretty similar appearances don't you think? |
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Posted on 17-06-2010 22:46
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I really don't understand the lack of team spirit in the French squad.
It's the world cup!!!! and they play like it's a stupid waiste of time for their june vacation |
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Posted on 18-06-2010 05:52
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felix_29 wrote:
There will be another revolution in France if they don´t reach the round of the last 16
The revolution is already done, Domenech to disappear after WC... by bye Raymond. I'm not sure it will be better, but anyway it couldn't be worse... |
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Posted on 18-06-2010 09:42
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I really don't understand the lack of team spirit in the French squad.
It's the world cup!!!! and they play like it's a stupid waiste of time for their june vacation Their behaviour makes a lot of sense, actually (and sadly, for those who give a damn).
There are like 3 main clans within the team : those from French cities, those who grew up in the suburbs (bad boys/chav style, I'm not generalising upon people who grew up there though), and the oldest ones. First group is more or less composed of those who play in the French League (Lyon players + Gourcuff, Gignac, etc.), second includes Anelka, Ribéry (probably Nasri, Benzema, etc. had they been there too), and the last group is for Gallas, Henry, etc.
And finally a few guys go along well with all the groups. Malouda is one of them.
Obviously those who have (had) the most influence are in the second group. They got Gourcuff to remain on the bench, for example (not because he was actually performing poorly, just because they don't like him). They all must do the free kicks or anything important because of their egos.
Why they're not motivated is clear enough : France (the country) means nothing to them. I'm not saying it's not right... but that can't work for a national team.
Being in the team is a reward for them, like the proof they're among the very best French players individually, but they don't feel they have to achieve something once they're on the pitch. After all they don't really get a regular wage to do so.
Domenech said before the World Cup he'd bring his rifle and shoot at egos. Obviously he didn't. He has no authority on the group, which makes any tactic inefficient.
Laurent Blanc's biggest challenge will be there : have them playing like a team. Keep those who disagree with that outside the team, nevermind how good they might be as individuals. Smaller potential, but much bigger chance to achieve something. I'm worried about it though, the youngsters who're likely to come in don't seem to have a much better mentality than those already there. |
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Posted on 18-06-2010 10:02
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[quote]ruben wrote:
I really don't understand the lack of team spirit in the French squad.
It's the world cup!!!! and they play like it's a stupid waiste of time for their june vacation [/quote
I feel very sorry for the Irish players who have to watch this... |
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Posted on 18-06-2010 11:00
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Aquarius wrote:
ruben wrote:
I really don't understand the lack of team spirit in the French squad.
It's the world cup!!!! and they play like it's a stupid waiste of time for their june vacation Their behaviour makes a lot of sense, actually (and sadly, for those who give a damn).
There are like 3 main clans within the team : those from French cities, those who grew up in the suburbs (bad boys/chav style, I'm not generalising upon people who grew up there though), and the oldest ones. First group is more or less composed of those who play in the French League (Lyon players + Gourcuff, Gignac, etc.), second includes Anelka, Ribéry (probably Nasri, Benzema, etc. had they been there too), and the last group is for Gallas, Henry, etc.
And finally a few guys go along well with all the groups. Malouda is one of them.
Obviously those who have (had) the most influence are in the second group. They got Gourcuff to remain on the bench, for example (not because he was actually performing poorly, just because they don't like him). They all must do the free kicks or anything important because of their egos.
Why they're not motivated is clear enough : France (the country) means nothing to them. I'm not saying it's not right... but that can't work for a national team.
Being in the team is a reward for them, like the proof they're among the very best French players individually, but they don't feel they have to achieve something once they're on the pitch. After all they don't really get a regular wage to do so.
Domenech said before the World Cup he'd bring his rifle and shoot at egos. Obviously he didn't. He has no authority on the group, which makes any tactic inefficient.
Laurent Blanc's biggest challenge will be there : have them playing like a team. Keep those who disagree with that outside the team, nevermind how good they might be as individuals. Smaller potential, but much bigger chance to achieve something. I'm worried about it though, the youngsters who're likely to come in don't seem to have a much better mentality than those already there.
This is a really wise in-depth analysis of what French national team is.
Apart from that, I really feel ashamed : we only have (at least for the moment) two real football players in that team : Malouda and Gourcuff. And we've got one (if not the best) of the best goalkeeper of the tournament.
But this was expected. We now have (at least Blanc has) to change everything : the ill-qualified guys at the head of French Football Federation, the way we form our youngsters : for years now, we've been forming players with a lot of physical aptitude, impact, etc... but no technique. I mean, football isn't just about physical aptitude, you've got to know how to pass, etc... Our national team doesn't even know how to do a proper pass : that's just crazy. I don't like the way Spain plays, but at least they've got players who know what to do with a ball : even Sergio Busquets is better with a ball than any of our players.
But I don't really expect a lot from Laurent Blanc : the way he left Bordeaux, being rejected by the players, isn't a good thing to me : I don't really think he's got enough charisma to deal with big egos.
But he has the capacity to keep the bad ones outside the team, and more importantly, he's got an idea of play : he'll make France play football, something we haven't done since 2006.
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Posted on 18-06-2010 12:03
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Aquarius wrote:
BouBBox wrote:
Guido Mukk wrote:
ou dear..this is lame..by france. They need to change a lot.
Nah just Domenech
 Yeah, and suddenly all players would care about what they're doing there, play as a team, and become nice and intelligent boys. Oh well...
Not immediatly, but the players are good no doubt, we just need someone who is able to make them play together and have fun, that's the trainer's job...
Other point there were at least two players who were bad and started all the matches (Govou and Anelka).When I saw the startlist I just shut the TV down Domenech kept them and placed Gourcuff on the bench, really don't get it. For me he played well, he wasn't awesome but compared to every one he was triyng things.
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Posted on 18-06-2010 12:11
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According to the South Korean newspaper Ilgan Sport four of the North Korean players were not present on the stadium during the Brazil-game.
There are some rumours flying around that they have "escaped".
The North Korean team will hold a press conference later today (15:00 GMT) and it is expected that they will bring forth some information about the case. |
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Posted on 18-06-2010 12:25
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Hoping for Serbia here - but either way, this will probably be a good match. |
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Posted on 18-06-2010 13:19
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Germany 0-1 Serbia. The referee acted the fool; five yellow cards and a red one. Klosed was unfairly sent off
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Posted on 18-06-2010 13:21
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Actually, all yellow cards Undiano has showed are correct. But he's being too strict, imo. |
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Posted on 18-06-2010 13:26
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BouBBox wrote:
Not immediatly, but the players are good no doubt, we just need someone who is able to make them play together and have fun, that's the trainer's job...
Other point there were at least two players who were bad and started all the matches (Govou and Anelka).When I saw the startlist I just shut the TV down Domenech kept them and placed Gourcuff on the bench, really don't get it. For me he played well, he wasn't awesome but compared to every one he was triyng things.
As for those two players, I think it's different cases. Govou hasn't been a good winger or striker for 4 years or something now (not that he's ever been that good), but he's good at defending, he does his share of work and has quite a good sense of positioning and moving on the pitch.
He might be lame, but he's got a good mentality (I suppose so).
Plus, we really lack good right wingers. Ribéry would be the man if he stopped whining to play on the left, and do crap just because he's unhappy on the right.
Anelka ? He has the qualities and ability to play as a striker. He just doesn't want to.
I guess Domenech hoped he'd finally listen to his order and follow the tactics. As if that was ever going to happen...
Definitely, Domenech's main problem is that he lacks respect from the players. He made tactical schemes, either like the players wanted to, either like the press, or the vox populi wanted, and it always resulted in the same pathetic playing.
What I really don't get is people who bash him for his press conferences or interviews. I enjoyed them a lot. Domenech masters irony better than many many people, who just don't get he doesn't mean what he says when he's answering stupid questions with a serious tone.
Back to the players : they've been doing the selection and deciding the squad and tactics (not the whole decision, but a large part of it), ever since 1998, maybe even before. The difference is that a man like Deschamps cared about it, was a real leader, and that any one not motivated would be left out of the team. We don't have such a player at the moment. |
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Posted on 18-06-2010 13:34
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kumazan wrote:
Actually, all yellow cards Undiano has showed are correct. But he's being too strict, imo.
Undiano gave 11 red cards in 17 games in La Liga last season. He is a foolish referee, that's all
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Posted on 18-06-2010 13:38
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Aquarius wrote:
Definitely, Domenech's main problem is that he lacks respect from the players. He made tactical schemes, either like the players wanted to, either like the press, or the vox populi wanted, and it always resulted in the same pathetic playing.
He demonstrated he wasnt totally responsible. His responsabilities stop when the players' responsabilities start
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Posted on 18-06-2010 13:45
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So ... what's Vidic's doing? |
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Posted on 18-06-2010 13:46
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AWESOME!
Well done, Serbian goalkeeper  |
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