That was the longest sprint I've ever seen in my life. No idea what he was doing there.
Also, wtf was Markus doing?
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This race has shown once again that Cav sucks without a train. Not that he is slow, he is the fastest, but he sucks in gaining good position without a strongest sprint train.
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
This race has shown once again that Cav sucks without a train. Not that he is slow, he is the fastest, but he sucks in gaining good position without a strongest sprint train.
I find it difficult to believe that any sprinter can do consistently well without a train, especially in the current climate of sprinting competition (which seems very hot).
The old masters like Freire and McEwen did pretty well, I cannot think of a current sprinter who can sprint consistently well without a train of some sort.
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I think he is the best in following others wheels now.
Edited by Avin Wargunnson on 04-04-2013 07:42
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
I have one obvious name, but i will be called biased.
I think he is the best in following others wheels now.
Why are you calling Sagan a wheelsucker. Why do you hate him?
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
This race has shown once again that Cav sucks without a train. Not that he is slow, he is the fastest, but he sucks in gaining good position without a strongest sprint train.
I find it difficult to believe that any sprinter can do consistently well without a train, especially in the current climate of sprinting competition (which seems very hot).
The old masters like Freire and McEwen did pretty well, I cannot think of a current sprinter who can sprint consistently well without a train of some sort.
JJ Rojas would be the only one who leads to mind, also perhaps Feillu, but obviously neither of them are anywhere near as quick as Cavendish (and neither of them are prolific winners in the last couple of years), but they could well be considered better at picking wheels.
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
This race has shown once again that Cav sucks without a train. Not that he is slow, he is the fastest, but he sucks in gaining good position without a strongest sprint train.
He actually has won plenty of races without a train. The problem is that now he does have a "train", but it's just a pathetic one.
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
This race has shown once again that Cav sucks without a train. Not that he is slow, he is the fastest, but he sucks in gaining good position without a strongest sprint train.
He actually has won plenty of races without a train. The problem is that now he does have a "train", but it's just a pathetic one.
Exactly, he probably would've won if he had just followed Kittel at the end. But he went to the back searching for his train, realised it wasn't coming, and then had to get back to the front on his own.
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
This race has shown once again that Cav sucks without a train. Not that he is slow, he is the fastest, but he sucks in gaining good position without a strongest sprint train.
You can say what you want, but green jersey can be won without a sprint train, or with only one lead-out man. But you have to know how to win it without a great train. Something that Greipel or Cavendish will never know.
These two need five or six men to support them in the Tour, or they fail in battle for green, or is there something to prove me wrong on this?
Edited by Avin Wargunnson on 04-04-2013 13:25
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
You can say what you want, but green jersey can be won without a sprint train, or with only one lead-out man. But you have to know how to win it without a great train. Something that Greipel or Cavendish will never know.
These two need five or six men to support them in the Tour, or they fail in battle for green, or is there something to prove me wrong on this?
Cav won without a train in 2008 + 2010 (once Renshaw was disqualified). I think part of it was that Cav was looking for his train in this race - had he known he would be without one he would have poisitioned himself differently.
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
You can say what you want, but green jersey can be won without a sprint train, or with only one lead-out man. But you have to know how to win it without a great train. Something that Greipel or Cavendish will never know.
Greipel I agree. But Cavendish has won plenty of stages without a train. Doubting Cavendish's hability to win without a train shows lack of knowledge about him.
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
These two need five or six men to support them in the Tour, or they fail in battle for green, or is there something to prove me wrong on this?
That doesn't have anything to do with train or no train. The problem for a guy like Cavendish in the green jersey fight is that he's very one dimensional, and while Sagan can win uphill sprints and sprints in harder flat stages, and then make top 3/5 in pancake flat stages, Cavendish won't feature at all in uphill spints, losing a truckload of points there.
Remember both Cavendish and Sagan won the same number of stages in the last Tour de France, but Cavendish never really challenged for green.
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
You can say what you want, but green jersey can be won without a sprint train, or with only one lead-out man. But you have to know how to win it without a great train. Something that Greipel or Cavendish will never know.
These two need five or six men to support them in the Tour, or they fail in battle for green, or is there something to prove me wrong on this?
Cavendish was clearly the fastest in that sprint just went slightly too late.
