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PCMdaily DB Stat Discussion - PCM15
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 24-09-2015 10:26
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Ollfardh wrote:
Maybe everyone (well, 2 people in particular) should shut up about the top riders so everyone can adjust them to their own liking, and we can focus on the more unknown riders? |
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 24-09-2015 10:33
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So, small hill upgrade for Debusschere after his win in GP Wallonie? just to change the subject
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 24-09-2015 10:42
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Yes I believe Debusschere deserves a hill upgrade.
His win on citadel of Namur should also justify that. |
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| Forever the Best |
Posted on 24-09-2015 13:06
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What should Sergio Henao's Stats look like?79 or 80 Hill?
Also is 78 MO with good backup Stats for Nieve good?
And what should Zakarin get?Is 78 MO with 76 TT and 77 HL with low REC good?
And Silvan Diller should have 75 in Hill imo.Or is it too high? |
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| bob7 |
Posted on 24-09-2015 13:37
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Jesse Sergent 75 TT 75 PR ? |
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| AndreasEng |
Posted on 24-09-2015 14:04
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The Schleck Fan wrote:
What should Sergio Henao's Stats look like?79 or 80 Hill?
Also is 78 MO with good backup Stats for Nieve good?
And what should Zakarin get?Is 78 MO with 76 TT and 77 HL with low REC good?
And Silvan Diller should have 75 in Hill imo.Or is it too high?
Imo Henao is nowhere near that good, did you se him in the Vuelta?
I do agree with 78 MO for Nieve and your Zakarin stats though...
Edited by AndreasEng on 24-09-2015 14:11
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| Forever the Best |
Posted on 24-09-2015 14:47
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AndreasEng wrote:
The Schleck Fan wrote:
What should Sergio Henao's Stats look like?79 or 80 Hill?
Also is 78 MO with good backup Stats for Nieve good?
And what should Zakarin get?Is 78 MO with 76 TT and 77 HL with low REC good?
And Silvan Diller should have 75 in Hill imo.Or is it too high?
Imo Henao is nowhere near that good, did you se him in the Vuelta?
I do agree with 78 MO for Nieve and your Zakarin stats though...
Henao was great in Pais Vasco finishing the critical stages with Rodriguez
He also top 10'd Fleche Wallonie and Liege-Bastogne-Liege |
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| miguejack |
Posted on 24-09-2015 15:23
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What the foppel  ! And such shame for Dennis  !
Costa ~ Machado ~ Quintana ~ Gallopin
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| miguejack |
Posted on 24-09-2015 15:31
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My TT stats for now:
Vasil Kiryienka - 81
Adriano Malori - 81
Jérome Coppel - 79
Jonathan Castroviejo - 79
Tom Dumoulin - 82
Rohan Dennis - 80
Tony Martin - 82
Maciej Bodnar - 78
Marcin Bialoblocki - 77
Moreno Moser - 77
Jan Bárta - 78
Taylor Phinney - 79
Nelson Oliveira - 78
Stephen Cummings - 76
Michael Hepburn - 76
Matthias Brändle - 76
Alex Dowsett - 77
Stefan Küng - 75
Costa ~ Machado ~ Quintana ~ Gallopin
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| miguejack |
Posted on 24-09-2015 15:32
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Now talking about Jens Debusschere, I'd give him 71/72 HILLS.
Costa ~ Machado ~ Quintana ~ Gallopin
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| bob7 |
Posted on 24-09-2015 15:36
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miguejack wrote:
My TT stats for now:
Vasil Kiryienka - 81
Adriano Malori - 81
Jérome Coppel - 79
Jonathan Castroviejo - 79
Tom Dumoulin - 82
Rohan Dennis - 80
Tony Martin - 82
Maciej Bodnar - 78
Marcin Bialoblocki - 77
Moreno Moser - 77
Jan Bárta - 78
Taylor Phinney - 79
Nelson Oliveira - 78
Stephen Cummings - 76
Michael Hepburn - 76
Matthias Brändle - 76
Alex Dowsett - 77
Stefan Küng - 75
Just. No.  |
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| miguejack |
Posted on 24-09-2015 15:42
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Now I'm sad  bob7 wrote:
miguejack wrote:
My TT stats for now:
Vasil Kiryienka - 81
Adriano Malori - 81
Jérome Coppel - 79
Jonathan Castroviejo - 79
Tom Dumoulin - 82
Rohan Dennis - 80
Tony Martin - 82
Maciej Bodnar - 78
Marcin Bialoblocki - 77
Moreno Moser - 77
Jan Bárta - 78
Taylor Phinney - 79
Nelson Oliveira - 78
Stephen Cummings - 76
Michael Hepburn - 76
Matthias Brändle - 76
Alex Dowsett - 77
Stefan Küng - 75
Just. No.
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| Selwink |
Posted on 24-09-2015 15:43
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Jesleyh wrote:
Here's a thread to discuss the stats from the PCM 15 PCMdaily projects.
Everything written down here will be considered for the next PCMdaily DB.
Always an exciting moment for me to open this, considering I'm sure there are some inaccurate stats, there always are some. Hope I limited it to the minimum  
Keep in mind, sure, topstats are the most noticeable stats, but those are most often a matter of opinion. I advice people to change some of those stats to their own likings.
For us it'd be much more useful to also discuss stats about smaller riders, those are often easier to miss.
It's getting quite annoying
Debusschere should IMO get an upgrade as well. 72/73 HI seems perfect to him. Also performed well in Britain and some tough-ish stages in Belgium Tour. I'm personally more inclined to 72 though.
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| miguejack |
Posted on 24-09-2015 15:51
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@Selwink
My Debusschere has 72 HI but I'm not sure about his SP stat. 77? 78?
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| Selwink |
Posted on 24-09-2015 16:00
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If I'm not mistaken it's 77. I see no reason to change that.
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 24-09-2015 16:06
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The Schleck Fan wrote:
What should Sergio Henao's Stats look like?79 or 80 Hill?
Also is 78 MO with good backup Stats for Nieve good?
And what should Zakarin get?Is 78 MO with 76 TT and 77 HL with low REC good?
And Silvan Diller should have 75 in Hill imo.Or is it too high?
Henao is a good hilly classics and hilly/medium mountain stage rider so I'd give him 76 mtn and 79 hill.
I'd give Nieve 77 mtn and not 78.
Zakarin is more difficult and have him 77 mtn along with 76 TT and hill and REC about 73 but to be fair I'm not too sure about him.
Diller could go to about 74-75 hill.
Edited by Tafiolmo on 24-09-2015 20:25
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 24-09-2015 16:18
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My suggested TT stats are somewhat conservative and may surprise some people but this is more or less what I'm going with, because based on one TT it seems crazy to make huge changes imo, as yesterdays TT was a surprise rather than the expected. I think TT this season has seen a lot of riders becoming more equal and the gap with the elite TT riders having gotten smaller.
Martin and Dumoulin clearly had off days and so I feel that they underperformed rather than those below overperforming with the exception of Coppel. Martin though I feel is probably a bit too high at 82 and 81 I now think is better for him and makes him beatable but it still makes him the best TT rider in the db. Phinney clearly didn't ride to 78 capacity yesterday, but he's been out injured for a long time, so I think it's a good idea to leave him till next season and see how he goes then.
Yesterdays TT was like Martin riding at a -4 or -5 daily form rating and Kiryenka riding a +4 or +5 daily form and with just 2 points between them Kiryenka could win.
Tony Martin 81
Tom Dumoulin 80
Fabian Cancellara 79
Rohan Dennis 79
Vasil Kiryenka 79
Chris Froome 78
Taylor Phinney 78(has been injured for a long time)
Adriano Malori 78
Alex Dowsett 78 or 77
Jerome Coppel 77 (the enigma as he was just 74 before)
Jonathan Castroviejo 77
(there are some other riders also on 77 TT) |
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| bob7 |
Posted on 24-09-2015 16:35
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Tony Martin 81
Tom Dumoulin 80
Fabian Cancellara 79
Rohan Dennis 79
Vasil Kiryenka 79
Chris Froome 78
Taylor Phinney 78(has been injured for a long time)
Adriano Malori 78
Alex Dowsett 78 or 77
Jerome Coppel 77 (the enigma as he was just 74 before)
Jonathan Castroviejo 77
(there are some other riders also on 77 TT)
Well, imo very good stats, but, why Malori with 78 ? 79 will be perfect for him, Coppel may be too high, 76 may be okey and Dennis could be 80, he had great year in TT. Last, Martin with 82 and Dumoulin with 81. |
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| AiZaK |
Posted on 24-09-2015 17:12
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Tony Martin 82
Tom Dumoulin 81
Fabian Cancellara 79
Rohan Dennis 80
Vasil Kiryenka 79
Chris Froome 78
Taylor Phinney 78
Adriano Malori 79
Alex Dowsett 78
Jerome Coppel 76
Jonathan Castroviejo 77
Luis Leon Sanchez 76 |
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| bob7 |
Posted on 24-09-2015 17:15
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AiZaK wrote:
Tony Martin 82
Tom Dumoulin 81
Fabian Cancellara 79
Rohan Dennis 80
Vasil Kiryenka 79
Chris Froome 78
Taylor Phinney 78
Adriano Malori 79
Alex Dowsett 78
Jerome Coppel 76
Jonathan Castroviejo 77
Luis Leon Sanchez 76
Perfect |
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