TdF'13 Stage 18 - Gap to Alpe-d'Huez (July 18)
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Posted on 19-07-2013 03:45
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The rules may be the rules but can someone remind me of a team leader and yellow jersey wearer violating the feed rules twice in the same tour on two big mountain stages. It is complete bullshit coming from a team that claims to be the cleanest and the best trained.
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Posted on 19-07-2013 06:31
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arthon wrote:
Could somebody pinpoint the last Alpe d'Huez "clean" performance & climbing time? (maybe from the 80s) You can check Moncoutié's time from 2004. It was a TT, but his time was certainly done clean. It's somewhere right below 40 minutes. |
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Posted on 19-07-2013 07:29
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Aquarius wrote:
arthon wrote:
Could somebody pinpoint the last Alpe d'Huez "clean" performance & climbing time? (maybe from the 80s) You can check Moncoutié's time from 2004. It was a TT, but his time was certainly done clean. It's somewhere right below 40 minutes.
Does Moncoutié have an absolute clean reputation? |
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Posted on 19-07-2013 07:51
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Ian Butler wrote:
Aquarius wrote:
arthon wrote:
Could somebody pinpoint the last Alpe d'Huez "clean" performance & climbing time? (maybe from the 80s) You can check Moncoutié's time from 2004. It was a TT, but his time was certainly done clean. It's somewhere right below 40 minutes.
Does Moncoutié have an absolute clean reputation?
Along with Bassons, yes.
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Posted on 19-07-2013 09:00
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Movistar wrote:
The rules may be the rules but can someone remind me of a team leader and yellow jersey wearer violating the feed rules twice in the same tour on two big mountain stages. It is complete bullshit coming from a team that claims to be the cleanest and the best trained.
Minor point but afaik everyone was allowed to take on food and drink late on Ventoux - due to the hot weather the rules were modified. |
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Posted on 19-07-2013 09:06
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Aquarius wrote:
arthon wrote:
Could somebody pinpoint the last Alpe d'Huez "clean" performance & climbing time? (maybe from the 80s) You can check Moncoutié's time from 2004. It was a TT, but his time was certainly done clean. It's somewhere right below 40 minutes.
Reportedly Moncoutie is as close as you can get to a guaranteed clean and that performance was good enough for 8th in 2004 - things might have been so different for him in a different era
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Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 19-07-2013 09:38
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alexkr00 wrote:
Roman wrote:
It's good that I didn't have time to watch this stage, as I would be really angry with the way like Kreuziger had to work for Contador once again.......
Kreuziger was dropped before Contador
Because he likes his own steady pace and Contador is usually stupid enough to hold a little longer but going boom later. That is when Kreuziger caught him again and set the tempo for 10kms. Also he worked for him in that nonsense downhill attack. He is certainly not weaker. Anybody who cares to watch the race, has to see that they are at same level at least, just different approach to climbing...
Still, fifth would be amazing for Roman, after all the work for Contador.
Anyway, Sky cheating is disgrace for the sport, it is like seeing arrogant US Postal again and again, get rid of them, Tour would be better without this project.
Edited by Avin Wargunnson on 19-07-2013 09:47
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Posted on 19-07-2013 09:44
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Guido Mukk wrote:
TimoCycling wrote:
Contadors attack was really awful aswell lol. Normally Saxo is strong tactically, but Contador is just desperate.
1. that was not proper atack..a test. Downhill test. Nothing serious there. he did not lost much energy there.
2. That was not Kreuziger there with him.
You mean in downhill attack? Of course it was Kreuziger...
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
alexkr00 wrote:
Roman wrote:
It's good that I didn't have time to watch this stage, as I would be really angry with the way like Kreuziger had to work for Contador once again.......
Kreuziger was dropped before Contador
Because he likes his own steady pace and Contador is usually stupid enough to hold a little longer but going boom later. That is when Kreuziger caught him again and set the tempo for 10kms. Also he worked for him in that nonsense downhill attack. He is certainly not weaker. Anybody who cares to watch the race, has to see that they are at same level at least, just different approach to climbing...
Still, fifth would be amazing for Roman, after all the work for Contador.
Anyway, Sky cheating is disgrace for the sport, it is like seeing arrogant US Postal again and again, get rif of them, Tour would be better without this project.
There is so much love out there. Anyone following baseball's example and out on the course today with urine receptacle in hand? |
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Posted on 19-07-2013 09:48
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
alexkr00 wrote:
Roman wrote:
It's good that I didn't have time to watch this stage, as I would be really angry with the way like Kreuziger had to work for Contador once again.......
Kreuziger was dropped before Contador
Because he likes his own steady pace and Contador is usually stupid enough to hold a little longer but going boom later. That is when Kreuziger caught him again and set the tempo for 10kms. Also he worked for him in that nonsense downhill attack. He is certainly not weaker. Anybody who cares to watch the race, has to see that they are at same level at least, just different approach to climbing...
Still, fifth would be amazing for Roman, after all the work for Contador.
Anyway, Sky cheating is disgrace for the sport, it is like seeing arrogant US Postal again and again, get rif of them, Tour would be better without this project.
This is Contador style..on he's peak years also..To but everything out and give up hugh part of it at the end. It's kind of sad that Contador wont win any GT anymore.
Are you shure it was Kreuziger who was with him at that downhill atack?
He is not weaker..at fact he is riding he's lifetime best GT. Never managed do that good when he was able to ride as team leader.
Seems like riders can ride more relaxed when they are not team leaders..Porte this year, Kreuziger, Froome year ago..etc. etc. |
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Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 19-07-2013 09:49
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If somebody deserves to be pissed on, it is Landporte-Froomechkin duo.
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Posted on 19-07-2013 09:52
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Guido Mukk wrote:
TimoCycling wrote:
Contadors attack was really awful aswell lol. Normally Saxo is strong tactically, but Contador is just desperate.
1. that was not proper atack..a test. Downhill test. Nothing serious there. he did not lost much energy there.
2. That was not Kreuziger there with him.
You mean in downhill attack? Of course it was Kreuziger...
yeaah it was..Rogers on that group was confusing me.
Anyway this was just downhill short attempt..I wont believe that they wasted that much energy with that. |
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Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 19-07-2013 09:54
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Guido Mukk wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
alexkr00 wrote:
Roman wrote:
It's good that I didn't have time to watch this stage, as I would be really angry with the way like Kreuziger had to work for Contador once again.......
Kreuziger was dropped before Contador
Because he likes his own steady pace and Contador is usually stupid enough to hold a little longer but going boom later. That is when Kreuziger caught him again and set the tempo for 10kms. Also he worked for him in that nonsense downhill attack. He is certainly not weaker. Anybody who cares to watch the race, has to see that they are at same level at least, just different approach to climbing...
Still, fifth would be amazing for Roman, after all the work for Contador.
Anyway, Sky cheating is disgrace for the sport, it is like seeing arrogant US Postal again and again, get rif of them, Tour would be better without this project.
This is Contador style..on he's peak years also..To but everything out and give up hugh part of it at the end. It's kind of sad that Contador wont win any GT anymore.
Are you shure it was Kreuziger who was with him at that downhill atack?
He is not weaker..at fact he is riding he's lifetime best GT. Never managed do that good when he was able to ride as team leader.
Seems like riders can ride more relaxed when they are not team leaders..Porte this year, Kreuziger, Froome year ago..etc. etc.
Yeah, this style was winning him Gts. But now it seems inefficient as hell, i think Roman would pass him if they were not at same teram, because he is diesel climber, who climbs at steady pace.
I thinks you are right, Kreuziger dont like the pressure, but i was talking about it for some years, that he is weak especially mentally and if he will mature more, he can be leader in years to come, at least for podium attacks. Being behind Contador in team hierarchy both helps him and is slowing him down probably, hard to tell which one more.
And i am sure it was him in dowhill attack, as czech TV commentators were not talking about anything else for half an hour.
Also it was clearly nr.94. He used quite some energy there. But not much on the other hand...
Edited by Avin Wargunnson on 19-07-2013 09:55
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Guido Mukk wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Guido Mukk wrote:
TimoCycling wrote:
Contadors attack was really awful aswell lol. Normally Saxo is strong tactically, but Contador is just desperate.
1. that was not proper atack..a test. Downhill test. Nothing serious there. he did not lost much energy there.
2. That was not Kreuziger there with him.
You mean in downhill attack? Of course it was Kreuziger...
yeaah it was..Rogers on that group was confusing me.
Anyway this was just downhill short attempt..I wont believe that they wasted that much energy with that.
I just can wonder how much energy they wasted during that bad-timed bike change, because the gap looked quite big.
Die hard fan of Tom Boonen and Quickstep since 2004.
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Posted on 19-07-2013 09:57
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kubys wrote:
Guido Mukk wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Guido Mukk wrote:
TimoCycling wrote:
Contadors attack was really awful aswell lol. Normally Saxo is strong tactically, but Contador is just desperate.
1. that was not proper atack..a test. Downhill test. Nothing serious there. he did not lost much energy there.
2. That was not Kreuziger there with him.
You mean in downhill attack? Of course it was Kreuziger...
yeaah it was..Rogers on that group was confusing me.
Anyway this was just downhill short attempt..I wont believe that they wasted that much energy with that.
I just can wonder how much energy they wasted during that bad-timed bike change, because the gap looked quite big.
yep that was a bad timing..that was still flat but..Movistar pulled already hard at front |
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Posted on 19-07-2013 09:59
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
And i am sure it was him in dowhill attack, as czech TV commentators were nbot talking about anything else for half an hour.
Also it was clearly nr.94. He used quite some energy there. But not much on the other hand...
Sometimes I hate Jilek, he can be only glad there are former professionals with him the studio, but...yes he's poor, but far better than he used to be.
And that point about Kreuziger mentality is something with what everybody must agree - underperforming under pressure is his speciality, although he could gained some self-confidence during that Amstel win. I hope he'll be alright for the future because having two such a talented guys in big sports, who aren't strong mentally is sad. (the second is Berdych for sure )
Edited by kubys on 19-07-2013 10:00
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Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 19-07-2013 10:03
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kubys wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
And i am sure it was him in dowhill attack, as czech TV commentators were nbot talking about anything else for half an hour.
Also it was clearly nr.94. He used quite some energy there. But not much on the other hand...
Sometimes I hate Jilek, he can be only glad there are former professionals with him the studio, but...yes he's poor, but far better than he used to be.
And that point about Kreuziger mentality is something with what everybody must agree - underperforming under pressure is his speciality, although he could gained some self-confidence during that Amstel win. I hope he'll be alright for the future because having two such a talented guys in big sports, who aren't strong mentally is sad. (the second is Berdych for sure )
I think Czech are specialists for such a sportsmen.
Jilek is better now, but still far from best. As you say, proffesionals as Kozubek and Padrnos (who only pisses me with his constant denial of Lance guilt) are nice refreshment, i still miss legendary Bakalar from Eurosport, he was funny at least.
And speaking about Czech Tour coverage,it has just started!
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Posted on 19-07-2013 10:04
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Guido Mukk wrote:
kubys wrote:
Guido Mukk wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Guido Mukk wrote:
TimoCycling wrote:
Contadors attack was really awful aswell lol. Normally Saxo is strong tactically, but Contador is just desperate.
1. that was not proper atack..a test. Downhill test. Nothing serious there. he did not lost much energy there.
2. That was not Kreuziger there with him.
You mean in downhill attack? Of course it was Kreuziger...
yeaah it was..Rogers on that group was confusing me.
Anyway this was just downhill short attempt..I wont believe that they wasted that much energy with that.
I just can wonder how much energy they wasted during that bad-timed bike change, because the gap looked quite big.
yep that was a bad timing..that was still flat but.. Movistar pulled already hard at front
This! I definitely think they lost much more energy during getting back to the group than the downhill attack, 'cause they soon realized it wouldn't be useful as they expected, so they weren't riding at their max.
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kubys |
Posted on 19-07-2013 10:10
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
kubys wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
And i am sure it was him in dowhill attack, as czech TV commentators were nbot talking about anything else for half an hour.
Also it was clearly nr.94. He used quite some energy there. But not much on the other hand...
Sometimes I hate Jilek, he can be only glad there are former professionals with him the studio, but...yes he's poor, but far better than he used to be.
And that point about Kreuziger mentality is something with what everybody must agree - underperforming under pressure is his speciality, although he could gained some self-confidence during that Amstel win. I hope he'll be alright for the future because having two such a talented guys in big sports, who aren't strong mentally is sad. (the second is Berdych for sure )
I think Czech are specialists for such a sportsmen.
Jilek is better now, but still far from best. As you say, proffesionals as Kozubek and Padrnos (who only pisses me with his constant denial of Lance guilt) are nice refreshment, i still miss legendary Bakalar from Eurosport, he was funny at least.
And speaking about Czech Tour coverage,it has just started!
Yeah, totally agree, Bakalar was funny, his confusion about the race, when the most of the time he was speaking about technical attributes of each component.
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