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| mb2612 |
Posted on 22-06-2011 01:48
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ruben wrote:
Basso Giro 2010 is overrated by the general public because you guys overrate Scarponi and Nibali as hell.
The Giro is no Tour. Gesink would crush Basso, especially on the steep slopes of the Giro. The steeper and the harder, the better for Gesink
If the Giro is so easy that Gesink would dominate, why hasn't he?
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 22-06-2011 08:14
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ruben wrote:
Basso Giro 2010 is overrated by the general public because you guys overrate Scarponi and Nibali as hell.
The Giro is no Tour. Gesink would crush Basso, especially on the steep slopes of the Giro. The steeper and the harder, the better for Gesink
The deeper and harder are also better for Basso and Nibali..you are realy mean. To call Nibali last 3 GT result as overrated by general public. It is just stupid.
You like the guy or not..but Nibali will be there for next 8 years.
I am not he's fan..but your hatered just keeping me protecting him.
If I am listening to you..Gesink would win 2010 Giro... easy.
Edited by Guido Mukk on 22-06-2011 08:15
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| Wilier |
Posted on 22-06-2011 08:43
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I have to agree with ruben. Giro 2010 was an awesome race, but the contenders weren't very strong. Basso was in top shape and he beat guys like Evans, who wasn't in good shape, Nibali and Scarponi, who are overrated riders and Vinokourov who is past his prime.
Also when looking at Nibali's Vuelta win, you have to take a look at the field. It was too bad Anton crashed out because he would've been the favourite, but Rodriguez was already tired after a long season and Peter Velits, who's not really a GT rider, and Fränk Schleck also come back from injury and wasn't in top shape. Nibali nearly managed to hold of Mosquera, who's a good climber, but that's that.
You can call me biased if you want, but I think Gesink is better than Basso (and Nibali too). Though I wouldn't say that Gesink would've crushed Basso or Nibali during 2010 Giro, he is nonetheless better.
But this discussion is kind of pointless because Gesink will probably never ride the Giro, because he wants to get good results in the spring classics. |
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 22-06-2011 14:05
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Gesink should at first finish one GT without some hole in the leg..caused by crash.
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| ruben |
Posted on 22-06-2011 14:10
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Blame Mosquera for that. |
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| ruben |
Posted on 22-06-2011 14:11
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mb2612 wrote:
ruben wrote:
Basso Giro 2010 is overrated by the general public because you guys overrate Scarponi and Nibali as hell.
The Giro is no Tour. Gesink would crush Basso, especially on the steep slopes of the Giro. The steeper and the harder, the better for Gesink
If the Giro is so easy that Gesink would dominate, why hasn't he? because he is dutch and here the culture is only the Tour counts, unfortunately |
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| kumazan |
Posted on 22-06-2011 14:21
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If ruben's hatred for Nibali wasn't so blatantly obvious, I'd (almost) agree with him. When this year Contador crushed Nibbles and Scarponi with one leg, he showed they are not as strong as the 2010 Giro may have shown.
However, I'm not sure that Gesink is stronger than Nibali, not by much at least. For whatever reason, Nibali has 3 GT podiums for Gesink's 0. Gesink will have to work hard to match that. |
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| ruben |
Posted on 22-06-2011 14:25
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Nibali is 3 years longer pro and has all the luck in the world (the vuelta being the most blatant example)
Look at how much luck Gesink has gotten so far
0.00000
You need luck as well. And don't come with that "you make your own luck"-bullshit.
Other examples:
-Pereiro has won the Tour, I still never rated him as much more as third thier GT rider
-Peter Velits has a GT podium. You'd rate him aobve Gesink for the same reason as Nibali?
-Savoldelli has won 2 GT, Evans 0, Savoldelli is better than Evans? I really doubt that.
There are tons of examples like that. You got to watch the races AND the results, not only 1 of the two.
Edited by ruben on 22-06-2011 14:38
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| kumazan |
Posted on 22-06-2011 14:46
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ruben wrote:
Nibali is 3 years longer pro and has all the luck in the world (the vuelta being the most blatant example)
Look at how much luck Gesink has gotten so far
0.00000
You need luck as well. And don't come with that "you make your own luck"-bullshit.
Agreed. But luck is part of the sport. And, in the long term, luck (usually) balances out. I can't wait to see Gesink and Nibali fighting each other (both will ride the Vulta this year, right?), but to say that Gesink would 'crsuh' Basso (or Nibali for that matter) seems exaggerate, imo.
Also, Gesink should try the Giro in the next years. It usually has the route which fits Robert the most.
Edit: Regarding your edit, I'm not basing my opinion on just results. And I certainly don't rate Nibali above (or below) Gesink. I just said he has 3 Gt podiums, which is a fact. Of course, that doesn't make him better than Gesink, but it makes his palmares better than Gesink's.
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| ruben |
Posted on 22-06-2011 15:24
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Well if luck balances out eventually then I'm waiting for the day Cadel Evans finally has some luck in GT's. Because that guy can't catch a break.... |
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 22-06-2011 15:52
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Some specialist once sayed..that strong rider with strong team..just wont crash out of the tour that easy.
Is leadrership equal with bike handling..don't know..for example Ulle, Contador and Lance never quit a GT if I am not missing something.
What is Soler diagnose? Unlucky?
Edited by Guido Mukk on 22-06-2011 15:57
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| miggi133 |
Posted on 22-06-2011 16:02
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Guido Mukk wrote:
Some specialist once sayed..that strong rider with strong team..just wont crash out of the tour that easy.
Is leadrership equal with bike handling..don't know..for example Ulle and Lance never quit a GT if I am not missing something.
Nope, I am sorry but you are mistaken. The pre cancer Armstrong quit the 1993 Tour...
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| ruben |
Posted on 22-06-2011 16:12
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Guido Mukk wrote:
Some specialist once sayed..that strong rider with strong team..just wont crash out of the tour that easy.
Is leadrership equal with bike handling..don't know..for example Ulle, Contador and Lance never quit a GT if I am not missing something.
What is Soler diagnose? Unlucky?
Cancellara was riding in front of Soler. Cancellara said he himself hit some sort of stones at the side of the road and only barely stayed on his bike.
If Cancellara, one of worlds best bike handlers, almost falls, then it's safe to say Soler had no chance. |
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| Stijn_vranken |
Posted on 22-06-2011 16:13
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instead of trying to kill eachother with word, why not wait untill the tdf and let riders prove themselves?
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| felix_29 |
Posted on 22-06-2011 16:16
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ruben wrote:
Guido Mukk wrote:
Some specialist once sayed..that strong rider with strong team..just wont crash out of the tour that easy.
Is leadrership equal with bike handling..don't know..for example Ulle, Contador and Lance never quit a GT if I am not missing something.
What is Soler diagnose? Unlucky?
Cancellara was riding in front of Soler. Cancellara said he himself hit some sort of stones at the side of the road and only barely stayed on his bike.
If Cancellara, one of worlds best bike handlers, almost falls, then it's safe to say Soler had no chance.
If it was a Schleck and not Soler, what would you say?
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 22-06-2011 16:18
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I even do not need ..I told you so after a tour
I know that Gesink is tour top 5 potential rider anyway |
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| khris |
Posted on 23-06-2011 07:27
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felix_29 wrote:
ruben wrote:
Guido Mukk wrote:
Some specialist once sayed..that strong rider with strong team..just wont crash out of the tour that easy.
Is leadrership equal with bike handling..don't know..for example Ulle, Contador and Lance never quit a GT if I am not missing something.
What is Soler diagnose? Unlucky?
Cancellara was riding in front of Soler. Cancellara said he himself hit some sort of stones at the side of the road and only barely stayed on his bike.
If Cancellara, one of worlds best bike handlers, almost falls, then it's safe to say Soler had no chance.
If it was a Schleck and not Soler, what would you say?
We would be hoping Fränk and Soler would both recover? |
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