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Giro d'Italia 2011 - Week 2
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| valverde321 |
Posted on 22-05-2011 03:30
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Eden95 wrote:
I read somewhere a couple of weeks ago that Anton wasn't racing for the GC, he was just there for a stage win,
Im sure he'll go for it now as he is basically in 2nd after tommorow.
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| Eden95 |
Posted on 22-05-2011 04:06
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valverde321 wrote:
Im sure he'll go for it now as he is basically in 2nd after tommorow.
I guess so. I think if he wanted it from the start he would of been one, if not the only rider there to give Contador a run for his money.
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| Talleyrand |
Posted on 22-05-2011 07:59
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Well, Contador had to hit the brakes to avoid that he would overtake Anton...
Fair players don't cheat
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 22-05-2011 08:04
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Talleyrand wrote:
Well, Contador had to hit the brakes to avoid that he would overtake Anton... Spanish solidarity in the middle of Italian hostility ? |
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 22-05-2011 08:51
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Giro is not over..3rd week will be harder then ever. New names will rise.
Zoncolan rules..most fun climb to watch |
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| ringo182 |
Posted on 22-05-2011 09:07
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i don't think Contador did anything wrong.
he didn't have to chase Anton down but Nibali did. why should Contador help Nibali? it's called tactics.
Contador is in a position now where he can just wheel suck for the rest of the Giro. he earned it in the first 2 mountain stages when he proved that when he wants to he is head and shoulders above everyone else.
it's not up to Contador to do the work, it's up to the others if they want to catch him. |
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| Lorkan |
Posted on 22-05-2011 09:18
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Sure Contador was smart on there, he hadn't to work since the others did the job for him. |
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 22-05-2011 09:27
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Lorkan wrote:
Sure Contador was smart on there, he hadn't to work since the others did the job for him.
ofcorse..he followed main rivals and wasted less energy as possible |
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| fenian_1234 |
Posted on 22-05-2011 09:37
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Alakagom wrote:
Man taunting Contador today with you should have guessed it by now... a piece of fablous steak.
Class. I missed that when I was watching....
Judging by the 'booing' not really being drawn attention to in the race reports, I think Contador may well miss out on a ban.
Ducked Op Puerto, ducked the steak - why's the sport have to put up with the ridiculous situation that it takes so long to make a decision on a failed dope test? The race is being devalued in the same way that happened to the one's Valverde went and won last year......only it's much, much worse as this is the Giro..... |
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| Talleyrand |
Posted on 22-05-2011 10:01
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Aquarius wrote:
Talleyrand wrote:
Well, Contador had to hit the brakes to avoid that he would overtake Anton... Spanish solidarity in the middle of Italian hostility ?
Yes Sir, I think so.
And Ringo and Lorkan:
Contador did not only refuse to take over when he was with Nibali (which I think is fairly OK) but he also used the brakes when he had already dropped Nibali a second time. Nibali then even came back to him, to then be dropped with the greatest ease and within seconds thereafter.
So then it was not gaining time on competitors... it was protecting a Euskaltel rider.
But all this is not forbidden, only quite unsympathetic. What Aquarius suggests may well have played a role. And Contador now has another strong ally.
But I guess he is facing at least three booings each day now, when putting on each of all those different jerseys on the podium 
Edited by Talleyrand on 22-05-2011 10:02
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| kumazan |
Posted on 22-05-2011 10:27
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So when did AC use the brakes? I didn't see such a thing, but it's also true that the broadcast froze in the very moment Clentie was attacking Nibbles. |
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| Lorkan |
Posted on 22-05-2011 10:49
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Kuma, I had exactly the same problem than you ^^
I saw Contador attacking, then freeze, then Contador alone out of a tunnel, then freeze, then Nibali with Contador, and then.... I switched to live tickets
So Talleyrand, can you tell us that you're firmly convinced Contador braked? Because I don't really see why Anton should thank him for slowing down. |
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 22-05-2011 12:04
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That Contador braked, or stopped trying, is the most logical conclusion from what happened imo.
He attacked Nibali and even though the pictures werent great, it was obvious that he had quickly gained a decent gap.
Then suddenly, Nibali is back with Contador - maybe Contador has actually cracked?
No, because the next we see Contador is once again comfortably ahead of Nibali.
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| kumazan |
Posted on 22-05-2011 12:11
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That's logical? Where's the logic in that? Why would AC attack, then brake? I see more logical that AC attacked, Nibali closed the gap, and then AC attacked again for the bonus seconds. |
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 22-05-2011 12:18
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It might not make much sense that he would brake or slow - but it makes less sense to me that Nibali was able to catch him, considering how quickly Contador got away from him on both of his attacks.
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| kumazan |
Posted on 22-05-2011 12:23
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He gained what, 5-10 seconds with both attacks? Contador wasn't super yesterday, and Nibali knows how to pace himself pretty well. I find this explanation much more logical than Contador braking or slowing down.
Edited by kumazan on 22-05-2011 12:24
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| ringo182 |
Posted on 22-05-2011 12:23
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kumazan wrote:
That's logical? Where's the logic in that? Why would AC attack, then brake? I see more logical that AC attacked, Nibali closed the gap, and then AC attacked again for the bonus seconds.
agree. contador attacked nibali and then eased of his attack. Nibali kept riding at the same pace so caught him and as soon as contador realised that nibali was on his wheel again he attacked again. it's how cycling works. contador was simply trying to put a gap between himself and nibali and then conserve energy. contador doesn't need to chase Anton so why waste energy? all he needs to do is finish with or ahead of nibali everyday and he's won. all he did was sit with Nibali to the last k and then attack. pretty simple tactic to be fair.
what was contador supposed to do? say "well done, you've caught me so now i'm just going to ride to the finish next to you"? no, he attacked him again.
if it was anybody else doing it people would be drooling over his ability to attack over and over again. because it's Contador apparently he's cheating |
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 22-05-2011 12:28
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@ Ringo
Nobody said it was cheating. And easing off the attack is the same thing as slowing down or braking - the net result that he went from going much faster than Nibali to much slower, since Nibali was able to catch him.
It's just not particularly sporting behaviour to sit on Nibali all climb, attack away from him, allow Nibali to come back (There is no way you can argue that Contador was on his limit, thus allowing Nibali to come back), then attack again.
Theres no rules against it, but that doesnt mean we cannot criticise Contador for it.
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| kumazan |
Posted on 22-05-2011 12:34
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And how do you know that AC "allowed" Nibali to come back? Did AC allow Scarponi to come back in Etna when he attacked, then Scarponi closed the gap? Is it that hard to believe that Contador can't be always super and sometimes people can close the gap he opens on them? |
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| ringo182 |
Posted on 22-05-2011 12:35
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SportingNonsense wrote:
@ Ringo
Nobody said it was cheating. And easing off the attack is the same thing as slowing down or braking - the net result that he went from going much faster than Nibali to much slower, since Nibali was able to catch him.
It's just not particularly sporting behaviour to sit on Nibali all climb, attack away from him, allow Nibali to come back (There is no way you can argue that Contador was on his limit, thus allowing Nibali to come back), then attack again.
Theres no rules against it, but that doesnt mean we cannot criticise Contador for it.
well if contador attacked straight away then he clearly wasn't on his limit.
people are saying what he did was unsporting. why? he's simply doing the bear minimum to win the giro. don't forget he's got one eye on the TdF so he soesn't want to kill himself at the Giro.
he attacked nibali and probably thought that would be enough to stay away from him so he slowed back to his normal mountain climbing rhythm. even contador can't ride at his attack pace all the time. Nibali caught him so contador attacked him again. whats unsporting about that?
yes contador sat on nibali's wheel all the way up. but thats because he's got nothing to gain by attacking while nibali has everything to gain by catching Anton and putting time into the others. why should contador do the pace setting?
it's tactics, pure and simple. |
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