As we spoke about fans reactions towards Götze, here is another proof they see him as the traitor and they hate him probably.
Edit: Rough translation for people who does not speak german...“The pursuit of money shows how much heart you have. F**k off Götze!”
Edited by Avin Wargunnson on 06-05-2013 09:16
Yes, I haven't said that everyone would be ok with this. Those are the minority of those people who think it's (Götze) their property.
Some actually idiots but still not the majority as otherwise there would be really loud boos everytime he gets the ball nevermind if it's the Champions League or Bundesliga. But you couldn't hear that in the games he played after the transfer story was out.
And at the Westfalenstadion (or Signal-Iduna-Park) at the big yellow wall it would be really loud if they boo.
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Tough season for me as Bremen supporter.
But finally today they stayed up also next season, where lots of changes are necessary.
Awful season just like the last actually. Just 12 points so far in the 2nd season half.
Several players will leave the team. Who knows, maybe even the coach.
So it will be very interesting to follow what the team will look like next year. Hopefully they are more lucky with the transfers than in the past 2-3 years, where 2/3 were flops.
He used to be very good, but he doesn't work for it, and gets involved in strange accidents now and then. Arnautovic nr.2, shall we say?
Not sure how good he plays atm, don't think really good, the Germans might know better...
Edit: Kind of Zabel'd Edited by Jesleyh on 11-05-2013 17:03
Rin wrote:
Yes, I haven't said that everyone would be ok with this. Those are the minority of those people who think it's (Götze) their property.
Some actually idiots but still not the majority as otherwise there would be really loud boos everytime he gets the ball nevermind if it's the Champions League or Bundesliga. But you couldn't hear that in the games he played after the transfer story was out.
And at the Westfalenstadion (or Signal-Iduna-Park) at the big yellow wall it would be really loud if they boo.
Actually, to pick up on this: I read a very interesting comment on Sportal.de today...
It was about Götze showing what really has happened to professional football, and especially to a lot of young players, who are more interested in quick personal success than anything else. The author of the comment said that Götze saw a better opportunity to win a titile or 2 next year maybe even the treble (which right now Dortmund cant cause the roster is a bit to thin at certain positions), but he would definetly have played champions League with Dortmund next Year, and that way could have helped establish Dortmund as a force to be reconned with in Europe. Instead he chose the immediate success. A plan, (which, with his injury history, and the depth of that Bayern Squad) that could very well backfire, and he COULD join a long list of names such as Breno, Schlaudraff, Sosa, Altintop ant the Most Prominent of them all: Lukas Podolski (among others) who spend most of their Bayern Career on the Bench. Who says that Kroos isnt coming back stronger after his injury?
Its actually really sad to see the mentality of young footballers in germany, who go through all the youth stages with a general dislike for Bayern Munich and their utter dominance, then jump up on the bandwagon as soon as they get an offer from Munich, and then afterwards claim that there is no other club to go to, cause none of them are good enough. The Bundesliga certainly has very interestingyears, when everything is close by (like 2007) and everyone immediately proclaims that the Bundesliga is the most intersting one in Europe because of the stiff competition, but essentially it is even more monopolistic than the Spanish League, cause Bayern are the one team at the very top and other teams just suffer under that...
Anyway, I got side tracked there: Interesstingly, this comment was made under an article about Götzes Agent stating that the move wasnt because of money. Well, the last time I checked, agents get a subastantial percentage of every contract a player is offered. Götze signed a new contract (worth 5 million/year) just last season, so his agent probably made big bucks there already. And less than a year later, he signs a cotract worth even more money... I think it was very much about cash. Not so much for Götze, but for his agent (whose name i cant remember anymore), and Götze probably would have ended up anywhere in Europe if any other club was prepared to pay 37m for Götze this year. I think, there just werent any other clubs with enough interest to buy him this season, thats why he went to Bayern, cause Agents only want the best for themselves, not for their players... And that is the big problem with young players: They are controlled to much by their Agents, who promise them the world, and at 20 years of age, you are still inclined to believe a lot of what people say...
Here the actual comment:
Spoiler
CSKA schrieb am 11.05.2013 12:21
Ich finde Mario Götze ist das beste Beispiel für einen SPieler, der den eigenen Erfolg über die Mannschaft stellt. CL spielen kann er auch beim BVB und hätte mit dem Team sogar die Möglichkeit in den nächsten Jahren zu einer festen Größe in Europa zu werden. Götze geht aber lieber den "sicheren" Weg und schließt sich einem CLub an, bei dem er höhere Chancen auf persönlichen Erfolg hat.
He was good playing for Hamburg, back in the days... But riding the Bench at juventus has ruined him. Obviously he had a great amount of time to party as well, as Jeslyeh & Roturn remarked
roturn wrote:
I partly disagree with he was good at Hamburg.
He was good in the first games. Same for Bremen, where he was really good in the season preparation.
But also in Hamburg he tend to act like an idiot and became more and more a bench player in the 2nd season half.
He is good for a few games. But then he is losing his motivation or so?
He was great at the World Championships 2010. That has been his best period, I suppose.
roturn wrote:
I partly disagree with he was good at Hamburg.
He was good in the first games. Same for Bremen, where he was really good in the season preparation.
But also in Hamburg he tend to act like an idiot and became more and more a bench player in the 2nd season half.
He is good for a few games. But then he is losing his motivation or so?
He indeed played only a few good games for Hamburg. Totally overrated, stupid and money-kissed player, who won't find any good teams to pick up his overpayed contract. I was pretty happy when Turin paid the same price as Hamburg did back then.
Speaking of his attitude: after his first good matches for Hamburg, he told the press that Hamburg is just a chance to get himself playing for Real in the near future.
There's always someone stupid to pay those wanna-be-stars
Best examples: Marko Marin, 8mio?! or Gokhan Töre, who also had just a few good games like Elia and then went to Russia. A great deal for Hamburg it was.
Let's see how great a deal the 3,5m for Calhanoglu will be.
I must admit I became a bit sentimental when he said goodbye today, he's certainly a special player, saving us from folding basically alone.
He'll have a very hard time in their midfield though, it would be a shame if this turns out to be another transfer that came too soon for such a young player.
This 3,5mio was too much for Bremen last year...instead they paid 5,5mio for Elia.
I think this was a horrible decision back then even though he needs to prove himself on Bundesliga level first.
Look at Beister, Great 2nd League, but horrible 1st League.
Plus he is now playing for Hamburg, which doesn`t make it any better... Edited by roturn on 11-05-2013 19:13
Rin wrote:
Yes, I haven't said that everyone would be ok with this. Those are the minority of those people who think it's (Götze) their property.
Some actually idiots but still not the majority as otherwise there would be really loud boos everytime he gets the ball nevermind if it's the Champions League or Bundesliga. But you couldn't hear that in the games he played after the transfer story was out.
And at the Westfalenstadion (or Signal-Iduna-Park) at the big yellow wall it would be really loud if they boo.
Actually, to pick up on this: I read a very interesting comment on Sportal.de today...
It was about Götze showing what really has happened to professional football, and especially to a lot of young players, who are more interested in quick personal success than anything else. The author of the comment said that Götze saw a better opportunity to win a titile or 2 next year maybe even the treble (which right now Dortmund cant cause the roster is a bit to thin at certain positions), but he would definetly have played champions League with Dortmund next Year, and that way could have helped establish Dortmund as a force to be reconned with in Europe. Instead he chose the immediate success. A plan, (which, with his injury history, and the depth of that Bayern Squad) that could very well backfire, and he COULD join a long list of names such as Breno, Schlaudraff, Sosa, Altintop ant the Most Prominent of them all: Lukas Podolski (among others) who spend most of their Bayern Career on the Bench. Who says that Kroos isnt coming back stronger after his injury?
Its actually really sad to see the mentality of young footballers in germany, who go through all the youth stages with a general dislike for Bayern Munich and their utter dominance, then jump up on the bandwagon as soon as they get an offer from Munich, and then afterwards claim that there is no other club to go to, cause none of them are good enough. The Bundesliga certainly has very interestingyears, when everything is close by (like 2007) and everyone immediately proclaims that the Bundesliga is the most intersting one in Europe because of the stiff competition, but essentially it is even more monopolistic than the Spanish League, cause Bayern are the one team at the very top and other teams just suffer under that...
Anyway, I got side tracked there: Interesstingly, this comment was made under an article about Götzes Agent stating that the move wasnt because of money. Well, the last time I checked, agents get a subastantial percentage of every contract a player is offered. Götze signed a new contract (worth 5 million/year) just last season, so his agent probably made big bucks there already. And less than a year later, he signs a cotract worth even more money... I think it was very much about cash. Not so much for Götze, but for his agent (whose name i cant remember anymore), and Götze probably would have ended up anywhere in Europe if any other club was prepared to pay 37m for Götze this year. I think, there just werent any other clubs with enough interest to buy him this season, thats why he went to Bayern, cause Agents only want the best for themselves, not for their players... And that is the big problem with young players: They are controlled to much by their Agents, who promise them the world, and at 20 years of age, you are still inclined to believe a lot of what people say...
Here the actual comment:
Spoiler
CSKA schrieb am 11.05.2013 12:21
Ich finde Mario Götze ist das beste Beispiel für einen SPieler, der den eigenen Erfolg über die Mannschaft stellt. CL spielen kann er auch beim BVB und hätte mit dem Team sogar die Möglichkeit in den nächsten Jahren zu einer festen Größe in Europa zu werden. Götze geht aber lieber den "sicheren" Weg und schließt sich einem CLub an, bei dem er höhere Chancen auf persönlichen Erfolg hat.
Götze was born in Bavaria and followed Bayern when he was young so I wonder where you got that from like suggesting Götze hating Bayern and now jumping on the bandwagon when Bayern waves with money.
Also Bayern is the best and most professional team in Germany (and probably Top 3 in the world now) and if one of the worlds most successful coaches (if he is the best I don't know..) comes to Bayern next season and wants them (Bayern) that they should buy Götze so they do and can.
But the most stupid thing in that transfer was the contract of Götze. Last year it was extended and the release clause was just too less for a that good young player. When Bayern buyed Martinez for 40m€ then the ~30m€ or so was definately too low.
Bayern is like XYZ (don't know a good example) you like or hate them. But that is always with successful persons, sportmen, companies.
Thats just like it is and not everyone is hating Bayern because in Germany it is by miles the most followed team in the Bundesliga.
And comparing the case of Götze to several others is not right.
Breno had too many problems for example lighting up his house for no reason
Schlaudraff was always overrated so never understood why they need him. Bayern is also known for buying players so they won't join others I guess Schlaudraff was also wanted 2007 or so by Bremen who were pretty good (sorry roturn ) so that was more the case buying him so no one else gets him. The first Bayern transfer of that kind was 1980 Karl Del'Haye.
Sosa was just not good enough
Altintop was also more a depth player than bought for the first team
Podolski actually the one to fault was Klinsmann who ruined single handedly Bayern with really worse coaching.
For example they almost never trained anything tactic wise but almost pretty much always fitness.. Lahm said they (the team) talked just before the game what they should play like because there was so less tactic wise.
When Klinsmann was fired and Heynckes was installed, Podolski played very very good in the first team but then he was already sold for next season back to Cologne so it was too late.
Also Dortmund got still so many money in that deal, that they could buy someone else as decent as Götze. Eriksen or someone from Brazil. Or even if Kagawa will be sold in anytime by Man Utd they could afford him.
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I never said that Götze personally was groomed to hate Bayern! I said young players in general grow up with a pure dislike of Bayern Methods and then jump on... I also never said that Götze will sit on the bench. I just said that if he might pick up a more sever injury (he is quite prone to miss a few gaes each year) he might lose that promised starting job to Kroos... (And example for such a situation could be Gomez and mandzukic!)
I admit, i overshot with Altintop, cause he played fairly regularly, and I may concede to a Bayern Munich fan, that Schaudraff was bought for one reason, and for one reason only: So that none else could have him. Same with Petersen, by the way...
But both Breno (yes, he is a special case, yes he had his problems, but so did Carlos Alberto in Bremen! And he didnt end up setting his house on fire... Bayern could have treated his case differently) and Sosa, were bought for quite a substantial amount of money and never got to play, because they were great in their own perspective, stars at their clubs, but they werent ready for the next step... It remains to be seen if Götze is, cause the conditions in Dortund and Munich are quite different...
Podolski wasnt a product of too much fitness training but rather being missused and at times injured... He wasted a full 1.5-2 years of his career, cause Bayerns Squad was to Deep at his position as well.
And the oh so great Shaquiri wont be playing many games next year either (like this season), cause the team is to good... Moving to Bayern at an age like Shaqiri or Götze is not the best idea... There are (well, were) other alternatives in Germany. And im pretty sure that in a year or two, bayern will attempt to buy Draxler as well (afterall 45 Million is no biggie for them). I just hope that my projection about him being a smart person (not just a smart football player) is true and that he wont fall for them that easily, or being pushed into it by his agent...
EDIT: Have overlooked the Schlaudraff bit and Im a bit too lazy to scoop it out from my post and delete it...
Plus, Kagawa will be at least 50 million. Its an amount watzke has repeatedly said he will not pay for a single player... I like the rumors of Boateng returning 8germany hide your star Players, Badboy Kevin-Prince is back )
Oh, and no, I am not a dortmund fan...
Edited by miggi133 on 11-05-2013 20:58
