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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 02-04-2009 23:52
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issoisso wrote:
SportingNonsense wrote:
issoisso wrote:
If I tell you that I run the risk of people accusing me of bias later on 
Rui Costa?
Nationality doesn't play into it.
Okay, I just thought that might be why people would accuse you of bias. |
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| Deadpool |
Posted on 02-04-2009 23:59
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I cannot see how you can support a rider knowing he has doped, and not been punished for it (I can understand supporting Basso, for instance, as he admitted, at least the intent to, doping). It would be as if you only got interested in politics because of Barack Obama, and he was really successful, and you worshipped him, and he was implicated in a major, say, sex scandal, including bribery and things of that sort. If there was enough evidence for the congress to impeach him, would you still support him just cause he got you interested in politics?
For me, if a rider is proven to be a doper I couldn't support him, for instance my favorite rider is Dominique Rollin (From Cervelo). I do not believe he is a doper, and I trust him, but if he ever is implicated I will be most disappointed and will lose all support of him immediately. If Valverde were my favorite, it would be the same way.
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| Ste117 |
Posted on 03-04-2009 00:02
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i would not support Valverde anymore if he is banned for doping like i already have done with riccardo ricco, i though what a great young cyclist until he doped, i lost all interest in him, but i will defend Valverde until he is banned for doping with enough evidence. |
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 03-04-2009 00:07
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This isnt that easy for me..
Ricco has been always cocky bastard for me..
Clinton is still one of greatest president what US ever had..
Ullrich is still greatest cycling talent ever (I am starting to repeat myself?)
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| Deadpool |
Posted on 03-04-2009 00:11
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Ste117 wrote:
i would not support Valverde anymore if he is banned for doping like i already have done with riccardo ricco, i though what a great young cyclist until he doped, i lost all interest in him, but i will defend Valverde until he is banned for doping with enough evidence.
Do you realize that the Italian Cycling Federation says their is enough evidence to ban him. He is banned, in essence, this isn't an if, it is a fact |
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| fenian_1234 |
Posted on 03-04-2009 00:19
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This thread is unreal.
Fuentes worked with Valverde for years...
I can't help wondering though why the Italians didn't grab a bit of Frank Schleck's blood though...
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| mb2612 |
Posted on 03-04-2009 01:33
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fenian_1234 wrote:
This thread is unreal.
Fuentes worked with Valverde for years...
I can't help wondering though why the Italians didn't grab a bit of Frank Schleck's blood though...
Didn't he do well in the giro one year?
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| Deadpool |
Posted on 03-04-2009 02:59
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mb2612 wrote:
fenian_1234 wrote:
This thread is unreal.
Fuentes worked with Valverde for years...
I can't help wondering though why the Italians didn't grab a bit of Frank Schleck's blood though...
Didn't he do well in the giro one year?
Your thinking Andy, who took 3rd and the Young Riders Jersey
Both, but Frank especially, have had doping suspicions around them, such as when their father, a former pro, had his car searched at the border of (I think) France. |
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| SotD |
Posted on 03-04-2009 07:24
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SportingNonsense wrote:
issoisso wrote:
SportingNonsense wrote:
issoisso wrote:
If I tell you that I run the risk of people accusing me of bias later on
Rui Costa?
Nationality doesn't play into it.
Okay, I just thought that might be why people would accuse you of bias.
It's Rigoberto Urán  |
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| Michal4444 |
Posted on 03-04-2009 07:40
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Ste117 wrote:
i would not support Valverde anymore if he is banned for doping like i already have done with riccardo ricco, i though what a great young cyclist until he doped, i lost all interest in him, but i will defend Valverde until he is banned for doping with enough evidence.
I am also his fan and I will not stop supporting him even if he is banned but I also think that he deserves to be banned for sins of past. He was doper surely (i admit it took me some time to persuade myself) so - 2 years as Basso no more no less.
And yeah - Maybe I am naive but I believe that Valverde is now clean - otherwise he wouldn´t crack always on GTs. |
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| Xavier |
Posted on 03-04-2009 09:09
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he also cracked in GT's when he was doped "in the past", so its no argument to say that hes clean now  |
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| Michal4444 |
Posted on 03-04-2009 09:19
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Xavier wrote:
he also cracked in GT's when he was doped "in the past", so its no argument to say that hes clean now
He waa a little bit younger then and also in my opinion he is more vulnerable now then he was. But as i said - I can be naiveB) |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 03-04-2009 09:58
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SotD wrote:
SportingNonsense wrote:
issoisso wrote:
SportingNonsense wrote:
issoisso wrote:
If I tell you that I run the risk of people accusing me of bias later on
Rui Costa?
Nationality doesn't play into it.
Okay, I just thought that might be why people would accuse you of bias.
It's Rigoberto Urán
So, your plan is to keep saying names of riders until I don't go "No, that's not him", isn't it?
This is the last time I'll speak on this issue: no, it's not Urán either
Michal4444 wrote:
Xavier wrote:
he also cracked in GT's when he was doped "in the past", so its no argument to say that hes clean now
He waa a little bit younger then and also in my opinion he is more vulnerable now then he was. But as i said - I can be naive B)
One of the major myths on doping is that you can't "crack" if you're on drugs. A quick look at the "golden age" of EPO shows you very quickly that the opposite is the case...riders are far more likely to have very erratic performances
fenian_1234 wrote:
This thread is unreal.
Fuentes worked with Valverde for years...
I can't help wondering though why the Italians didn't grab a bit of Frank Schleck's blood though...
I'm holding out hope that they compared quite a few riders' blood but are taking the court cases one at a time. CONI has quite a history of doing that. Notice the oil for drugs investigation, the 2001 giro cases, etc.
They only start a case when most or all previous ones are closed.
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| Ildabaoth |
Posted on 03-04-2009 15:17
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This thread is insane. My favorite rider is Soler. And yes, it's because I'm colombian too. But if I though we was doping, I'd stop supporting him instantly. Anyways, I do support him because I know the region where he is from. Boyacá, it's called. Average height, 2800m. Climbs over 3500m all over the place. And you see even teenagers working as milkmen, carrying 2 barrils of milk everyday (aproximately, 45 kg) in their bikes since they were kids. That's what makes me believe he is clean, but, I do insist, that wouldn't mean I'd continue being his fan if I believed he is doping. Neither using the, imo, fool argument "Yeah, ok, but everybody is doping too, so nevermind". |
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| Juan |
Posted on 03-04-2009 16:22
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Ildabaoth wrote:
This thread is insane. My favorite rider is Soler. And yes, it's because I'm colombian too. But if I though we was doping, I'd stop supporting him instantly. Anyways, I do support him because I know the region where he is from. Boyacá, it's called. Average height, 2800m. Climbs over 3500m all over the place. And you see even teenagers working as milkmen, carrying 2 barrils of milk everyday (aproximately, 45 kg) in their bikes since they were kids. That's what makes me believe he is clean, but, I do insist, that wouldn't mean I'd continue being his fan if I believed he is doping. Neither using the, imo, fool argument "Yeah, ok, but everybody is doping too, so nevermind".
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| Juan |
Posted on 03-04-2009 16:25
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Deadpool wrote:
Your thinking Andy, who took 3rd and the Young Riders Jersey
Both, but Frank especially, have had doping suspicions around them, such as when their father, a former pro, had his car searched at the border of (I think) France.
french police stopped his car on one of the 3rd week stages. they looked into the car and found nothing (just to clarify things ) |
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| fenian_1234 |
Posted on 03-04-2009 16:34
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issoisso wrote:One of the major myths on doping is that you can't "crack" if you're on drugs. A quick look at the "golden age" of EPO shows you very quickly that the opposite is the case...riders are far more likely to have very erratic performances
Indeed. Some of the most spectacular collapses ever have been because of you know what. |
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| Deadpool |
Posted on 03-04-2009 16:46
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fenian_1234 wrote:
issoisso wrote:One of the major myths on doping is that you can't "crack" if you're on drugs. A quick look at the "golden age" of EPO shows you very quickly that the opposite is the case...riders are far more likely to have very erratic performances
Indeed. Some of the most spectacular collapses ever have been because of you know what.
See: Tom Simpson |
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| schleck93 |
Posted on 03-04-2009 17:37
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He definatly didn't use EPO, and it wasn't that kinda collapses they were talking about. They were talking about the collapses, likes of a certain Amerrcan on stage 16 in 2006 Tour de France.
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| Deadpool |
Posted on 03-04-2009 17:39
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schleck93 wrote:
He definatly didn't use EPO, and it wasn't that kinda collapses they were talking about. They were talking about the collapses, likes of a certain Amerrcan on stage 16 in 2006 Tour de France.
I know, but it is a case of a guy "cracking" on PED's |
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