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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 19-07-2023 15:00
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Wiggins and Evans too 
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| Flair |
Posted on 19-07-2023 15:51
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Well now its definately over. Unless Pogi goes full Landis on stage 20. |
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 19-07-2023 15:58
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It looks like the go as hard as possible in the hardest stages and hope eventually the fatigue will get to Pogi worked.
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| Flair |
Posted on 19-07-2023 16:03
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alexkr00 wrote:
It looks like the go as hard as possible in the hardest stages and hope eventually the fatigue will get to Pogi worked.
Honestly.. suspicious numbers aside.
This stage was always going to be one Jumbo would have targetted. Its high, and whilst Pogi has few weaknesses I think everyone generally agrees Pogi isn't the absolute best at high altitude. And today happens to be exceptionally hot and iirc, Pogi likes cold weather, whereas Vin likes heat, so that just plays into Vin and Jumbo's hands even more. |
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| Arberg |
Posted on 19-07-2023 16:18
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Vingegaard is so superior. |
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| Thor Hushovd |
Posted on 19-07-2023 16:21
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Don't wanna hear ever again that Pogacar is on Vingegaard's level in 3-week GTs. Should focus on classics and minor stage races from now on. |
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| Kalach |
Posted on 19-07-2023 16:50
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Thor Hushovd wrote:
Don't wanna hear ever again that Pogacar is on Vingegaard's level in 3-week GTs. Should focus on classics and minor stage races from now on.
What? Your comment is really funny.
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| Arberg |
Posted on 19-07-2023 17:31
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Thor Hushovd wrote:
Don't wanna hear ever again that Pogacar is on Vingegaard's level in 3-week GTs. Should focus on classics and minor stage races from now on. +1  |
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| ivaneurope |
Posted on 19-07-2023 18:01
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Thor Hushovd wrote:
Don't wanna hear ever again that Pogacar is on Vingegaard's level in 3-week GTs. Should focus on classics and minor stage races from now on.
Don't you have WVA for the Classics?
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 19-07-2023 18:05
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So can I start complaining about the race organisation again?
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| SotD |
Posted on 19-07-2023 18:30
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Why on Earth would a guy that have won 2 Grand Tours and have another 3 podiums (in 4 days time) and 13 stagewins at the age of 24, decide to only focus on the Classics?
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| quadsas |
Posted on 19-07-2023 18:42
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Ill take Pogi anyways since after yesterdays complete farce I expect some teams to put more pressure on Jumbo to stop being THAT obvious which should open window for Pogi to do better, as he is clearly a superior rider still
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| Supernutz |
Posted on 19-07-2023 19:08
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Pogi is more fun to watch...that's for sure. |
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| fidjim2013 |
Posted on 19-07-2023 19:11
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The way I see things Pogacar looks too tired, might be from always being in peak form all year round. |
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| Kalach |
Posted on 19-07-2023 19:51
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fidjim2013 wrote:
The way I see things Pogacar looks too tired, might be from always being in peak form all year round.
Exactly. But Jonas fanboys overlook this important fact. Simply Pogacar built up for TDF was far from ideal. The races he did, his long peak at spring, broken wrist. Then when you look at Jonas his preparation was based always only around the Tour and nothing else. Hopefully UAE management can learn lessons from this.
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| Tamijo |
Posted on 19-07-2023 20:36
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Kalach wrote:
fidjim2013 wrote:
The way I see things Pogacar looks too tired, might be from always being in peak form all year round.
Exactly. But Jonas fanboys overlook this important fact. Simply Pogacar built up for TDF was far from ideal. The races he did, his long peak at spring, broken wrist. Then when you look at Jonas his preparation was based always only around the Tour and nothing else. Hopefully UAE management can learn lessons from this.
I don’t think you can say that. What you call Jonas fanboys is mainly Danes. At least on this site most of us have had and still has the deepest respect for Poga and also the Danes have stated that Poga is overall the best rider, maybe alongside VFA. Personally I saw them as equal even considering Pogas unlucky preparation. Whereas some Poga fans seems to have come to the conclusion he was unbeatable, completely disregarding his tough season and the crash spoiling his preparation.
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Posted on 19-07-2023 20:57
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Vingegaard did also beat him comfortably last season though, where Pogacars preperation was as he prefers it. He obviously didn't peak at the ardennes there either, where he only rode Fleche and came 12th.
So maybe the difference just is that Vingegaard is the better Grand Tour rider at the moment, regardless of how Pogacar chooses to prepare. That would be my honest guess... But there's a long way from that conclusion and to wanting Pogacar to stop focussing on the TdF. If Pogacar come with last season form, it doesn't need a whole lot of bad luck from Vingegaard for him to lose the race. If he hadn't been blessed with the combination of van Aert and Roglic the storyline could have looked very different, even if Vingegaard had the best engine, and took a chunk in the latter part.
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| Shonak |
Posted on 19-07-2023 21:18
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Wow, what two days. Tour completely turned upside down. Vingegaard with the perfect preparation and brutal execution. I read that (Morkov said) Vingegaard memorized every corner, and I mean look at it, the guy went into aero even in the corners. The guy was on another level because he was so well prepared and fully determined beyond calculations and wishful thinking.
Today was strange; it's tough to see a champion like Pogi suffer like that but he takes it like a true sportsman and will come back stronger - I hope he takes his lesson too, and will start focusing more on GTs again.. while it is cool to see him in the classics, they are fun enough to watch without him, the Tour is where he is needed, esp if Jumbo gets that Saudi oil money.
Tu Felix Austria!! Felix Gall new Austrian Mountain Goat!!
LOL @ Pogifanboys calling Vingegaard a doper. Don't throw stones when you sit in the glasshouse.
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| fidjim2013 |
Posted on 19-07-2023 23:30
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Vingegaard makes Froome’s performances from the past look human. Froome was always cracking in the 3rd week but vingegaard is staying strong from start to finish, that’s crazy. |
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| Forever the Best |
Posted on 20-07-2023 12:18
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Vingegaard&Pogacar were climbing almost on par with the mid to late 90s heroes lol. They likely would have been only 20 seconds or so off Pantani on Joux Plane without the trackstand. Faster than Ullrich and Virenque. They also broke the record of Tourmalet.
Then they put 3+ and 1:30+ on the rest on a not even long TT.
And there are people thinking they may be clean?
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