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| fidjim2013 |
Posted on 19-07-2023 13:11
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I knew Vingegaard was going to win the TT but I was expecting by 20 or 30 sec but by over 1 min no way |
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| superider2010 |
Posted on 19-07-2023 14:04
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alexkr00 wrote:
Banning people for having concerns about monstrous performances given the history of the sport and ignoring the elephant in the room is not the way to go either.
These meltdowns are rather hilarious anyway. I feel it's really hard for a lot Pog fans to cope with this because they thought for sure Pog would turn things around in his favor today and then it ended up like this.
i don't find it hilarious that fake winners taking the wins
i was so happy when wiggins,evans won as they seemed human compared to contador,schleck
i was happy when roglic was favourite to win as he seemed human in 3rd week
i wasn't happy that pogacar steal his win,that pogacar ITT was not real,a joke just yesterday vingegaard ITT
i didn't watched that time trial as i knew roglic was a better TT rider,i liked pogacar as he was new face and the future
i hope another team dopes and take the reigns from jumbo
let's be real for a moment,how in the world you get to have roglic the 3rd best GT rider,vingegaard blowing as the best GT rider and somehow you find an american(sep kuss) being a top 5 climber in the world
i don't believe in extreme shit luck
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 19-07-2023 14:07
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You trust Roglic over Pogacar and Vingegaard???
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 19-07-2023 15:00
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Wiggins and Evans too 
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| Flair |
Posted on 19-07-2023 15:51
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Well now its definately over. Unless Pogi goes full Landis on stage 20. |
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 19-07-2023 15:58
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It looks like the go as hard as possible in the hardest stages and hope eventually the fatigue will get to Pogi worked.
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| Flair |
Posted on 19-07-2023 16:03
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alexkr00 wrote:
It looks like the go as hard as possible in the hardest stages and hope eventually the fatigue will get to Pogi worked.
Honestly.. suspicious numbers aside.
This stage was always going to be one Jumbo would have targetted. Its high, and whilst Pogi has few weaknesses I think everyone generally agrees Pogi isn't the absolute best at high altitude. And today happens to be exceptionally hot and iirc, Pogi likes cold weather, whereas Vin likes heat, so that just plays into Vin and Jumbo's hands even more. |
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| Arberg |
Posted on 19-07-2023 16:18
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Vingegaard is so superior. |
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| Thor Hushovd |
Posted on 19-07-2023 16:21
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Don't wanna hear ever again that Pogacar is on Vingegaard's level in 3-week GTs. Should focus on classics and minor stage races from now on. |
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| Kalach |
Posted on 19-07-2023 16:50
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Thor Hushovd wrote:
Don't wanna hear ever again that Pogacar is on Vingegaard's level in 3-week GTs. Should focus on classics and minor stage races from now on.
What? Your comment is really funny.
Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth.
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| Arberg |
Posted on 19-07-2023 17:31
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Thor Hushovd wrote:
Don't wanna hear ever again that Pogacar is on Vingegaard's level in 3-week GTs. Should focus on classics and minor stage races from now on. +1  |
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| ivaneurope |
Posted on 19-07-2023 18:01
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Thor Hushovd wrote:
Don't wanna hear ever again that Pogacar is on Vingegaard's level in 3-week GTs. Should focus on classics and minor stage races from now on.
Don't you have WVA for the Classics?
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 19-07-2023 18:05
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So can I start complaining about the race organisation again?
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| SotD |
Posted on 19-07-2023 18:30
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Why on Earth would a guy that have won 2 Grand Tours and have another 3 podiums (in 4 days time) and 13 stagewins at the age of 24, decide to only focus on the Classics?
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| quadsas |
Posted on 19-07-2023 18:42
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Ill take Pogi anyways since after yesterdays complete farce I expect some teams to put more pressure on Jumbo to stop being THAT obvious which should open window for Pogi to do better, as he is clearly a superior rider still
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| Supernutz |
Posted on 19-07-2023 19:08
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Pogi is more fun to watch...that's for sure. |
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| fidjim2013 |
Posted on 19-07-2023 19:11
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The way I see things Pogacar looks too tired, might be from always being in peak form all year round. |
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| Kalach |
Posted on 19-07-2023 19:51
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fidjim2013 wrote:
The way I see things Pogacar looks too tired, might be from always being in peak form all year round.
Exactly. But Jonas fanboys overlook this important fact. Simply Pogacar built up for TDF was far from ideal. The races he did, his long peak at spring, broken wrist. Then when you look at Jonas his preparation was based always only around the Tour and nothing else. Hopefully UAE management can learn lessons from this.
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| Tamijo |
Posted on 19-07-2023 20:36
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Kalach wrote:
fidjim2013 wrote:
The way I see things Pogacar looks too tired, might be from always being in peak form all year round.
Exactly. But Jonas fanboys overlook this important fact. Simply Pogacar built up for TDF was far from ideal. The races he did, his long peak at spring, broken wrist. Then when you look at Jonas his preparation was based always only around the Tour and nothing else. Hopefully UAE management can learn lessons from this.
I don’t think you can say that. What you call Jonas fanboys is mainly Danes. At least on this site most of us have had and still has the deepest respect for Poga and also the Danes have stated that Poga is overall the best rider, maybe alongside VFA. Personally I saw them as equal even considering Pogas unlucky preparation. Whereas some Poga fans seems to have come to the conclusion he was unbeatable, completely disregarding his tough season and the crash spoiling his preparation.
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| SotD |
Posted on 19-07-2023 20:57
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Vingegaard did also beat him comfortably last season though, where Pogacars preperation was as he prefers it. He obviously didn't peak at the ardennes there either, where he only rode Fleche and came 12th.
So maybe the difference just is that Vingegaard is the better Grand Tour rider at the moment, regardless of how Pogacar chooses to prepare. That would be my honest guess... But there's a long way from that conclusion and to wanting Pogacar to stop focussing on the TdF. If Pogacar come with last season form, it doesn't need a whole lot of bad luck from Vingegaard for him to lose the race. If he hadn't been blessed with the combination of van Aert and Roglic the storyline could have looked very different, even if Vingegaard had the best engine, and took a chunk in the latter part.
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