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| milrbe |
Posted on 03-10-2008 16:03
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issoisso wrote:
It's funny to see so many people in denial, pretending as if it's possible or even logical and probable that Schleck did this by himself
I agree, but couldn't it have been with Basso at the time? |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 03-10-2008 16:09
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milrbe wrote:
issoisso wrote:
It's funny to see so many people in denial, pretending as if it's possible or even logical and probable that Schleck did this by himself
I agree, but couldn't it have been with Basso at the time?
It's possible. Not likely, but possible.
In truth, there's no doubt in mind that anything other than Riis masterminding the doping program on that team is extremely improbable.
Besides, if we're to believe the media who originally reported that Schleck had payed Fuentes money, they also said at the time that there are witnesses of Riis and Schleck together in Madrid at the time.
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| milrbe |
Posted on 03-10-2008 16:19
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I thought that Schleck was originally suspect because they thought he was "friend of Brillio." Not saying that Riis WASN'T involved, but I would not be surprised if Basso WAS. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 03-10-2008 16:30
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I don't mean to belittle you or anything, but...
Does it matter? Basso's been suspended for it already. |
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| fenian_1234 |
Posted on 03-10-2008 16:32
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Riis involved????
Oh...I feel another attack of sarcasm coming on.... |
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| milrbe |
Posted on 03-10-2008 16:35
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issoisso wrote:
I don't mean to belittle you or anything, but...
Does it matter? Basso's been suspended for it already.
Ha, no I suppose not. Just trying to be a blind optimist and hope that it's not too many other current memebers of CSC.... |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 03-10-2008 16:41
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milrbe wrote:
Ha, no I suppose not. Just trying to be a blind optimist and hope that it's not too many other current memebers of CSC....
Like, for instance, not including the 5 CSC riders who have reportedly tested positive for CERA and will receive the news soon from the AFLD?  |
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Posted on 03-10-2008 16:43
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Ha...yes. Reportedly. Don't get me wrong, this scandal is huge and will for sure shake up the cycling world, but I just wanna see how it plays out.  Again, stupid blind optimism... |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 03-10-2008 16:44
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Actually, I'm not sure anything will happen
We'll see. |
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| milrbe |
Posted on 03-10-2008 16:56
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Even if no consequences come of the positives, the fact that the positives happen will have some effect though, won't they? |
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| rodda |
Posted on 03-10-2008 17:04
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a sharp increase in doping speculation on internet forums would be on of those 
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| kida |
Posted on 03-10-2008 17:11
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rodda wrote:
a sharp increase in doping speculation on internet forums would be on of those
lets just say all cyclists are dopers until they prove otherwise, much easier this way |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 03-10-2008 18:48
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It's even more unfair. "Innocent until proven guilty" is not even that lame.
But usually when commonly sensed people accuse X or Y of being a dopehead, there's no smoke without fire. |
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Posted on 03-10-2008 19:40
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Aquarius wrote:
It's even more unfair. "Innocent until proven guilty" is not even that lame.
But usually when commonly sensed people accuse X or Y of being a dopehead, there's no smoke without fire.
hey i know there are riders in the peloton who dope and the sooner they're caught and sent on their way the better for cycling, but even if the smoke about rider X, Y or Z leads to a positive, you can't be sure that just beacause there's no smoke about rider A,B or C that they aren't "doping" doesn't mean they aren't. I bet that some riders have doped their whole career and gotten away with it
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| brun sweater |
Posted on 03-10-2008 22:52
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oh my god guys! Don't overdo it! The selfrightiousness isn't particular dignified! Even a Tour de France winner caught with syringes in his arms, wouldn't have caused such a fuss.
... this case will change nothing!
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| fenian_1234 |
Posted on 04-10-2008 06:59
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Dankan wrote:
fenian_1234 wrote:
So, OP is closed again. That's 3 times now, is it?
Is this the final definitive closing or is it just the final one until the next appeal?
No chance for further appeals this time.
About half way down the page:
https://www.cyclin.../oct04news
The closure is being appealed again.
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| issoisso |
Posted on 04-10-2008 07:02
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Dankan wrote:
fenian_1234 wrote:
So, OP is closed again. That's 3 times now, is it?
Is this the final definitive closing or is it just the final one until the next appeal?
No chance for further appeals this time.
Guess what....it's just been appealed |
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| rodda |
Posted on 04-10-2008 07:06
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Posted on 04-10-2008 08:41
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hey i know there are riders in the peloton who dope and the sooner they're caught and sent on their way the better for cycling, but even if the smoke about rider X, Y or Z leads to a positive, you can't be sure that just beacause there's no smoke about rider A,B or C that they aren't "doping" doesn't mean they aren't. I bet that some riders have doped their whole career and gotten away with it
And sometimes there will be smoke where there is no fire. The smoke will come from former dopers, annonymoous sources, quasi science and broken logic. |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 04-10-2008 10:22
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You probably have a lot of examples of people who didn't dope but broke all rules of science ? Of riders who had Ferrari/Fuentes/Cecchini/Conconni/Mabuse as their doctor but only for training schedules ? 
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