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Armstrong Back!!!!!!!
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| Waghlon |
Posted on 10-09-2008 10:27
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I wonder, how will Davide Cassani ruin his comeback?
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| issoisso |
Posted on 10-09-2008 10:30
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King Lolzy wrote:
because he's riding for a cause...he wants to raise global awareness about cancer because he thinks ppl are viewing cancer nowadays in an indifferent way, like they aren't reacting quickly enough and putting the right effort to find a cure...
.....is the official excuse
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 10-09-2008 10:31
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This is just crazy. Also, why is everyone eo excited about his team? Is there any other options than Astana? 
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 10-09-2008 10:55
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Riis has said that Armstrong is welcome to call him  |
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| Waghlon |
Posted on 10-09-2008 11:04
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Riis got a bad case of Sastre-desperation
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| ruben |
Posted on 10-09-2008 11:08
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lets get used to:
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| ponka00 |
Posted on 10-09-2008 11:53
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Is that Astana Logo taken from PCM? |
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| ruben |
Posted on 10-09-2008 11:55
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ponka00 wrote:
Is that Astana Logo taken from PCM?
No, I took my timemachine. Went to july 2009, took this picture, traveled back, and uploaded it on the internet. |
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| jolly_antunes |
Posted on 10-09-2008 12:12
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Why the helmet is dark blue??
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| schleck93 |
Posted on 10-09-2008 12:12
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Cause he has kept his old helmets
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Thor wears a live rattlesnake as a condom.
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| ponka00 |
Posted on 10-09-2008 12:14
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I see that he kept his good old Nike gloves too 
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| schleck93 |
Posted on 10-09-2008 12:18
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Just read what Vaughters said:
Jonathan Vaughters said:
"I'm not surprised to be honest. I mean he's always been keeping fit and in shape. You could see that from the results he's had recently. If anything I'm just curious as to how he'll do and what level he can come back to. That's the big question for me. Assuming he rides, I don't think anyone can say how he'll get on in the Tour next year. There will be barometers along the way with the smaller races that he'll ride like Paris - Nice and the Dauphiné but one thing I'd bet on is that he certainly won't suck during the Tour.
"There was a rumour that I was going to come back to the sport and race a while ago but if I wanted to come back I'd have to cut my wine intake by around 98 per cent. I'm happy not coming back."
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 10-09-2008 13:00
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CrueTrue wrote:
This is just crazy. Also, why is everyone eo excited about his team? Is there any other options than Astana?
Anyway, it's up to ASO now They said that as long as he follows all the antidoping rules, as well as his still unknown team, and if he has a decent level, he will be welcome... |
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| Phanekim |
Posted on 10-09-2008 15:18
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issoisso wrote:
shadow80 wrote:
I like the idea of Armstrong back, but think about it, if Contador can pump out 435 watts and Basso can pump out 470, guess what that means, Basso has a superhuman 6.7 watts/kilogram whereas Contador is putting out a pretty human 6.3 watts/kilogram. It's generally accepted nowadays that to put out more than 6.5 watts/kg is a good sign of a doper because that seems to be the upper limit of the human body without drugs on a bike.
I predict that Basso will end up having wattage closer to 435-445 watts rather than the 470 watts he had while doping. I have a easier time believing that Contador isn't doping than I do have believing that Basso wasn't doping (he WAS caught after all) with those numbers.
So you're saying that it's perfectly normal that Contador's 435 watts destroy legend Bernard Hinault's career-best 381 watts and LeMond's career-best 390?
uh-huh....sure...makes perfect sense that the legends of the past are vastly inferior to the current riders but drugs have nothing to do with it...
shadow80 wrote:
And if you think that Contador is pedestrian for a stage-racer, then I think you need to take a serious check on who you thought were great stage racers in the past. Oh, that's right, they were dopers. They never cracked, they never had close calls or were vulnerable. Contador has had close calls and he has had vulnerabilities, just didn't lose with them.
They never craked, never had close calls or were vulnerable? are you HIGH???
If that's true, then every mountain stage in the past ended in a sprint, since nobody ever cracked or had close calls or was vulnerable.....
Nothing against you personally, but seriously, that's just the worst argument I can remember anyone using in any discussion ever. That is literally an extremely false thing to say and the concept is, excuse the word, ridiculous 
EDIT: if you seriously belive in that, name me a legend or two and I'll be more than happy to post every time they cracked in a tour stage. I'm serious.
Isso, with all the advances in sports science...you mean to tell me its not unconcievable that contador has more power than lemond? I"m not saying the sport is completely clean...but it does seem to be getting cleaner. |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 10-09-2008 15:23
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Not inconceivable maybe, as cycling is not that widespread in the world (I mean there are probably people very genetically gifted for such a sport in Kenya / Ethiopia, etc.). It's possible that some people would be more powerful than LeMond without cheating.
Just... Not Alberto Contador. There's a long list of reasons to think that man is a cheater. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 10-09-2008 15:33
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Phanekim wrote:
Isso, with all the advances in sports science...you mean to tell me its not unconcievable that contador has more power than lemond? I"m not saying the sport is completely clean...but it does seem to be getting cleaner.
it's perfectly conceivable. Just not 60 watts more relative power. Not 60 more watts. not 60. never. that's like saying "advances in sports science are responsible for a 5 second drop in the 100metres record over the past 15 years". No. it's a gigantic leap that is is im-fucking-possible.
Sorry to be so blunt.
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| Crommy |
Posted on 10-09-2008 16:11
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Wattage wise:
Contador represents an 11.5% increase on LeMond's best ever.
At about the same time, Carl Lewis held the world 100m record of 9.92. The new world record held by Asafa Powell is 9.69
The world record 100m time has jumped by 2.3%.
So yes, an increase in understandable. An increase greater than that in the 100m is expected. But not 5 times as much
EDIT: For the same change, the World Record in the 100m would now be 8.78
Edited by Crommy on 10-09-2008 16:13
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 10-09-2008 16:22
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Unibet's odds for Tour de France 2009:
Alberto Contador, 3.25:1
Lance Armstrong, 5:1
Cadel Evans, 8:1
Andy Schleck, 8,5:1
Carlos Sastre, 9:1
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| tomzk111 |
Posted on 10-09-2008 18:47
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People who are saying Lance will be too old are obviously forgetting- Rebellin for example is 37 and still damn good at what he does, and Poulidor came 3rd in 1976- at the age of 40! Both these examples are of riders who clearly aren't/weren't of Armstrong's "abiltiies", yet still got results when as old or older than Lance will be in 2009.
For you guys who reckon Contador is doped, its worth noting that Astana use the same external anti-doping programme as CSC and Columbia. Surely Lance wouldn't be stupid enough to dope knowing the stringent measures that his potential team have in place....
I say bring on the 2009 tour! Potentially an Armstrong- Contador- Andy Schleck (Basso wont be allowed to ride) duel that would leave the likes of Evans, Sastre, Kohl etc fighting for scraps!  |
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| King Lolzy |
Posted on 10-09-2008 19:09
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Crommy wrote:
Wattage wise:
Contador represents an 11.5% increase on LeMond's best ever.
At about the same time, Carl Lewis held the world 100m record of 9.92. The new world record held by Asafa Powell is 9.69
The world record 100m time has jumped by 2.3%.
So yes, an increase in understandable. An increase greater than that in the 100m is expected. But not 5 times as much
EDIT: For the same change, the World Record in the 100m would now be 8.78
Yo Crommy...either your eyes are crappy or you're f...ing out of your mind!!
World rec is held by Usain 'Lightning' Bolt
Man...didn't you watch the olympics??B) |
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