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| ruben |
Posted on 21-04-2008 12:37
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For me, the classics with those unridable stones are kermis races. That's why none of the big tour riders start there  |
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| niconico |
Posted on 21-04-2008 12:42
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Ruben wrote:
A_Schleck wrote:
Very nice ride by Cunego, Schleck was very strong but unfortuneately Cunego can just hold his wheel and outsprint. Not the prettiest way of doing it but effective surely.
On a sidenote, what happened to Dekker's proclaimed ass-whoopin' of Frank Schleck?  He said he feared Valverde, Cunego and Rebellin (and he was right), and he was wrong about Schleck, still he estimated the result 75% correct (3 of 4 names in front of him)
Oh and, at least TD kicked Andy Schlecks ass, again  for the 14th time (vs 3) 
Bah B)
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| Xavier |
Posted on 21-04-2008 12:59
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Ruben wrote:
For me, the classics with those unridable stones are kermis races. That's why none of the big tour riders start there
20+million of people disagree with you ;-)
Its not like they are some kind of warm-up event for Liège-Bastogne-Liège..  |
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| ruben |
Posted on 21-04-2008 13:57
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Neither is the Gold Race. But it's like Van Vliet said, the Belgians are jealous of the Gold Race and always bash that race. |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 21-04-2008 14:44
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The Gold Race has a nice profile and is gaining prestige year after year, but it can hardly be denied that it was a minor event compared to the Flèche Wallone or Liège-Bastogne-Liège 10 or 15 years ago.
Despite having a definitely interesting profile, the Gold Race deserves some bashing for its narrow and dangerous roads, its cars parked here and there, its impediments at the entrance or exit of towns, etc. Generally speaking the organisation there is not that good. |
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Posted on 21-04-2008 15:02
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There is nothing to be jealous of when you have LBL, RVV, Flèche Wallone, Brabantse pijl, E3-prijs, KBK, Scheldeprijs etc |
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| ruben |
Posted on 21-04-2008 15:18
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Aquarius wrote:
The Gold Race has a nice profile and is gaining prestige year after year, but it can hardly be denied that it was a minor event compared to the Flèche Wallone or Liège-Bastogne-Liège 10 or 15 years ago.
Despite having a definitely interesting profile, the Gold Race deserves some bashing for its narrow and dangerous roads, its cars parked here and there, its impediments at the entrance or exit of towns, etc. Generally speaking the organisation there is not that good. There are much, much more falls in Flanders and Roubaix
And the roads there are imho much more dangerous with the cobblestones and same traffic obstacles in Belgium. |
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| Marginalo |
Posted on 21-04-2008 15:30
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Ruben wrote:
For me, the classics with those unridable stones are kermis races. That's why none of the big tour riders start there
Well that's your opinion, probably because you're a dutchman yourself.
And I don't see why we should be jalous of the frickin' Gold Race, while we have Liège-Bastogne-Liège, imho a way better race to watch or ride.
I can't really understand why you have so many problems with the Belgium people cheering for the succes of some of our fellow countrymen. The Dutch, who may have better riders in general, can do the same for Gesink's slight succes in P-N, and Maaskant's recent succes etc. But the fact you jerk off every time Traksel participates in a races is pretty funny at least...
No offense, but there really is a case for non-nationalism today. As the borders fade, so should the preferences for riders solely because you happen to live near. |
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Posted on 21-04-2008 15:45
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Marginalo wrote:
Ruben wrote:
For me, the classics with those unridable stones are kermis races. That's why none of the big tour riders start there
Well that's your opinion, probably because you're a dutchman yourself.
And I don't see why we should be jalous of the frickin' Gold Race, while we have Liège-Bastogne-Liège, imho a way better race to watch or ride.
I can't really understand why you have so many problems with the Belgium people cheering for the succes of some of our fellow countrymen. The Dutch, who may have better riders in general, can do the same for Gesink's slight succes in P-N, and Maaskant's recent succes etc. But the fact you jerk off every time Traksel participates in a races is pretty funny at least...
No offense, but there really is a case for non-nationalism today. As the borders fade, so should the preferences for riders solely because you happen to live near.
Well, I dont think they're really jealous, but they just have to admit that Dutchmen are better puncheurs, especially the last few years than the belgians, so that's why they keep saying bad things about the Amstel Gold race, I personally think, not only because it's a dutch race, AGR has the best parcours, different from LBL and Fleche, it has Hills all race long, but also an uphill finish. I dont really see why the Belgians keep saying/thinking LBL is so much better than the AGR, there's no such thing as AGR isn't a real classic, it's older than 40 years, and for the roads, if you look at yeseterday, it wasnt even bad at all, onl 2 falls or something. and no problems with trains etc. like in Belgium
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Posted on 21-04-2008 15:49
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It's hard to define by the age of the race whether it's a classic or not, but it's a general misconception that people think any one-day race is a classic, just because it's a one-day race. Amstel has no history compared to LBL, MSR, P-R, RVV, P-T and Lombardy, or Fleche for that matter, but the fact that it attracts the absolute best puncheurs in the sport, is imo enough for it to be a classic.
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Posted on 21-04-2008 16:17
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robert_psv wrote:
Marginalo wrote:
Ruben wrote:
For me, the classics with those unridable stones are kermis races. That's why none of the big tour riders start there
Well that's your opinion, probably because you're a dutchman yourself.
And I don't see why we should be jalous of the frickin' Gold Race, while we have Liège-Bastogne-Liège, imho a way better race to watch or ride.
I can't really understand why you have so many problems with the Belgium people cheering for the succes of some of our fellow countrymen. The Dutch, who may have better riders in general, can do the same for Gesink's slight succes in P-N, and Maaskant's recent succes etc. But the fact you jerk off every time Traksel participates in a races is pretty funny at least...
No offense, but there really is a case for non-nationalism today. As the borders fade, so should the preferences for riders solely because you happen to live near.
Well, I dont think they're really jealous, but they just have to admit that Dutchmen are better puncheurs, especially the last few years than the belgians, so that's why they keep saying bad things about the Amstel Gold race, I personally think, not only because it's a dutch race, AGR has the best parcours, different from LBL and Fleche, it has Hills all race long, but also an uphill finish. I dont really see why the Belgians keep saying/thinking LBL is so much better than the AGR, there's no such thing as AGR isn't a real classic, it's older than 40 years, and for the roads, if you look at yeseterday, it wasnt even bad at all, onl 2 falls or something. and no problems with trains etc. like in Belgium
AGR=Cauberg, thats all there is to AGR imo, and the Cauberg has only been included in AGR for a couple of years now.
While at other big races the 'final' starts a long while before the last climb, like in MSR RVV, LBL and is more exciting imo
And I dont see how the youngest 'classic' (AGR) could match up vs the oldest classic (LBL) in terms of history or prestige etc.
( https://en.wikiped...ycle_races )
and the train thing was in Paris-Roubaix(France  )
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Posted on 21-04-2008 16:23
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| Marginalo |
Posted on 21-04-2008 17:04
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the train thing also occurs in bad Belgian races (like the Tour of Belgium)
I definately agree it's a classic. It's more then fair to give the Dutch 'their' classic. Give it a couple of years to become a mainstream phenomonon like the RvV and it'll become magic. I adore the fact that there are cobbles, and the way the Dutch and Spanish despise those races (though they have cobble-races themselves, but hey...) because it adds to the contextuality of the race. |
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| Cek |
Posted on 21-04-2008 17:34
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Cunego is the best rider of all... When, the last year, he won the Lomabardia Tour I've thought that he's stronger in one-day race that in the big tour...
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Posted on 21-04-2008 17:36
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I respect your opinion, but...
robert_psv wrote:
AGR has the best parcours, different from LBL and Fleche, it has Hills all race long, but also an uphill finish.
Fleche doesn't have an uphill finish then?.... |
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Posted on 21-04-2008 17:45
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Does Fleche have hills all course long?....
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Posted on 21-04-2008 17:48
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https://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2008/...08/?id=map
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Posted on 21-04-2008 17:50
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This aint comparable with AGR, AGR has 31 hills, Fleche only 10.., and also, FLeche is only 200km long, so I think, of the three classics, Fleche is the ''easiest'' one.
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Posted on 21-04-2008 18:01
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robert_psv wrote:
This aint comparable with AGR, AGR has 31 hills, Fleche only 10.., and also, FLeche is only 200km long, so I think, of the three classics, Fleche is the ''easiest'' one.
I wouldn't say that all of the 31 deserves to be called hills, but you are correct that it is the easiest one. Still, of the 3, AGR is my least favorite one simply because the hills aren't long enough to decide anything |
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| wackojackohighcliffe |
Posted on 21-04-2008 18:05
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liege is far the best as they often dont wait for the final hill and it makes for more interesting racing |
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