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| ruben |
Posted on 16-05-2016 13:15
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just gonna place this especially for the Kvyat fanboys
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| Wilier |
Posted on 16-05-2016 16:16
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| Paul23 |
Posted on 16-05-2016 16:57
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@ruben: Yes, Verstappens win was nice. But nothing more. Both Mercedes crashed out and Ricciardo and Vettel had a bad strategy. And Kimi couldn't handle the dirty air in the last corner. It's not difficult, keeping someone behind like that.
If he can keep this up, then he is definately a great driver. But I wouldn't put him over Kvyat just yet. Kvyat is also a fast guy, and the move between Kvyat and Verstappen did just happen, because they want Verstappen in the better car, to increase his value. He's still 19. Don't forget that. I don't doubt, that he will become World Champion someday, but you're clearly overhyping him.
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| ruben |
Posted on 16-05-2016 18:49
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It's just always the same with the anti-verstappen camp
When he got into Toro Rosso it was because of his dad and because of the hype. And Sainz would certainly beat him.
When he beat Sainz most of the time it was because Toro Rosso favored Verstappen and Sainz had more bad luck
When he got promoted to Red Bull it was because of PR reasons and so they could keep him away from Ferrari/Merc. HE would certainly not be able to keep up with Ricciardo and some even went as far as saying he would get destroyed
Then he wins the race and the new excuses are already coming in from the Anti-Verstappen camp.
It's so tiresome with you guys. Everytime, Max proves you wrong on the track. And everytime, you find a new excuse as to explain his performance. Fact is, aside from 1 brilliant qualifying lap, Ricciardo didn't blow max away. In the race, Max was keeping equal race pace with Ricciardo, something Kvyat was never able to do in his RB period. Ricciardo could not distance Verstappen.
And to make it all better, he lasted his medium tyres 32 laps, whilst keeping a faster Ferrari behind.
Stop making excuses and start seeing the truth. Verstappen is the real deal. Sure, it's too early to say wether he will be a multiple WDC winner etc etc etc. But all the signs are there. Try to open your eyes and see it for yourself. |
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 16-05-2016 18:54
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It's not like Kvyat got RBR's only other Podium this season, ahead of Ricciardo. Or actually outscored Ricciardo last season despite one less race finish. No you're right, Kvyat is useless and any support for him is based only on an anti-Max viewpoint.
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| ruben |
Posted on 16-05-2016 19:02
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Kvyat's race pace was significantly slower than Ricciardo. Every, single time.
Max race pas was better than Sainz, they are actually some really good examples on that. And he lasted his tires longer too.
Do you really think Red Bull would promote a rider as a pure PR stunt? They have all the data on all 4 riders from races, qualifying, practices, simulator runs. The data shows who is quickest. Ricciardo/Verstappen are the quickest. Kvyat does not belong in RBR and now that he is significantly slower than Sainz it proves it again. And adapting to a new car is not a good excuse, Verstappen had to adapt as well after all, and he's keeping up.
As I said, when are you running out of excuses? Probably never, even if he were to become a WDC, you'd probably invent something like that they make Ricciardo's car worse than Max, or that something else.
Reminds me of all the anti-Schumacher fans back in the hey days. They always tried to find something to play down his performances. It's so lame. |
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 16-05-2016 19:16
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Did anyone say it was a PR stunt? He was promoted to stop him looking at Ferrari who are chasing to sign him up. RBR must have screwed something up to not have him on a long contract allowing Ferrari to come in as a real possibility, forcing RBR to jump him up mid-season under threat of losing him. No way did RBR have this planned before the season began, and it's nothing to do with speed after just 4 races of which one Kvyat didn't even start due to reliability issues beyond his control.
I even remember saying "Max drove fantastically..." and just offered up what i saw as a couple of reasons as to why he was helped to a win, rather than overtaking his way to the front. Ferrari out-strategised themselves with Vettel who should have won, and then Kimi got stuck in dirty air at a track where overtaking is hard at the best of times. Max did good to not make a mistake and stay out-front, but he wasn't the quickest or best driver of the day. He will be before too long, but he's not the second coming of Jesus like some people believe.
Nice to see i'm struggling for reasons and you can't even try and refute me points on Kvyat being deserving of his place in an RBR.
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| ruben |
Posted on 16-05-2016 19:19
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I'm not implying he is the second jesus or senna or schumacher or whatever.
But some people here are taken the exact opposite of that. Which is even more annoying. The straight out deny that he is at least a special talent. Kvyat never seemed 'special'. I even still do not understand what was so special about Kvyat's year in Toro Rosso that they promoted him to RBR. I think Vergne was better. |
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| Paul23 |
Posted on 16-05-2016 20:00
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ruben,
I never thought, I would ever say that, but you're a bigger Verstappen-fanboy then Jesley is a Kelderman-fanboy. Please stop the fanboying.
You don't see me fanboying over Grosjean either.
Verstappen just had some luck on his side in Spain:
2 Mercedes - OUT
1 Ferrari - Messed up tactics
1 RedBull - messed up tactics
1 Ferrari - worst track to overtake
He could've well finished 5th or 6th yesterday.
Although I don't like it, but Vettel was the quickest finisher. Räikkönen probably 2nd quickest and Ricciardo/Verstappen behind them. Also don't forget Rosberg, pushing Hamilton on the grass.
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| SSJ2Luigi |
Posted on 16-05-2016 20:33
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It isnt relevent weither or not ruben is a fanboy or not. yes the win was on the lucky side but there are other lucky wins that are considered of the greatest wins ever (Panis at Monaco) but that doesnt mean Verstappen isnt extremely talented. It also doesnt mean that kvyat couldnt have done the same, China shows that. You cant make those claims yet as we dont know if kvyat is used to the STR yet (the claim VES is used to the RBR so KVY should be used to the STR is baseless as people dont adapt at the same rate and upgrading is easier to adapt to than downgrading)
I also dont see the reason to keep proclaiming words of idioticy and ignorance because people dont see the way you do but apperantly people do. Im cant keep up with people anymore 
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| ruben |
Posted on 16-05-2016 23:06
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Like I said SSJ2, his mind is made up. It's no use. He has no middle ground. Can't see reason. |
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| valverde321 |
Posted on 17-05-2016 06:09
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The end of the race, Verstappen holding off Kimi was quite impressive and he managed to make those tires last 30~ laps, the longest of anyone (I think). Definitely takes skill, on top of the luck that he obviously got with Red Bull messing up Ricciardos strategy and the Mercs crashing out but a great performance still. I definitely thought Red Bull made a mistake getting rid of Kvyat but I was cheering for Verstappen at the end.
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| SSJ2Luigi |
Posted on 28-05-2016 13:23
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Sainz to be promoted to Red Bull next race 
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| sutty68 |
Posted on 28-05-2016 16:37
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Mercedes not on pole  |
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| Paul23 |
Posted on 28-05-2016 17:11
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Amazing Qualifying! Verstappen showed his full potential, whilst Ricciardo does an amazing lap.
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 30-05-2016 07:48
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Verstappen to bin it into the Wall of Champions? I'll give odds of 5/1!
F1 continues to try and kill itself, whilst the on track action is some of the best in like a decade or more. That Monaco race was fantastic, thank god it rained! Having watched Spain and Monaco i may well come back to watching every race... well i won't but that's not my choice...
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| SSJ2Luigi |
Posted on 03-07-2016 14:38
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WEEEERHHHHHHHHHHLEEEEEEEINNNNNNN 
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| MrUfo87 |
Posted on 03-07-2016 15:17
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What a race! Especially for the Red Bull Ring. And that last lap was amazing with another clash between Rosberg and Hamilton. Great to see Button finishing sixth after his great third place qualification and Wehrlein taking a point for Manor is simply outstanding. Verstappen from 8th to 2nd is pretty awesome as well. Those are my three drivers of the day.
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| ringo182 |
Posted on 04-07-2016 07:59
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The crash was completely Rosberg's fault. Are there not punishments for causing a crash by deliberately trying to run another car off the road?
The problem at Mercedes is Hamilton is clearly the better driver but the German team would prefer a German driver to win. They don't want to tell Rosberg to let Hamilton win because that will be unpopular in Germany. They can't tell the best driver in the World at the moment to let Rosberg win as that would be unpopular with the rest of the World and be terrible for the sport which is already losing popularity due to being seen as not a real sport and boring.
Only way out is for one driver to leave but they don't want Hamilton to go anywhere because he's the best in the World and they don't want to lose Rosberg because he's German. |
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| Croatia14 |
Posted on 04-07-2016 08:54
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ringo182 wrote:
The crash was completely Rosberg's fault. Are there not punishments for causing a crash by deliberately trying to run another car off the road?
The problem at Mercedes is Hamilton is clearly the better driver but the German team would prefer a German driver to win. They don't want to tell Rosberg to let Hamilton win because that will be unpopular in Germany. They can't tell the best driver in the World at the moment to let Rosberg win as that would be unpopular with the rest of the World and be terrible for the sport which is already losing popularity due to being seen as not a real sport and boring.
Only way out is for one driver to leave but they don't want Hamilton to go anywhere because he's the best in the World and they don't want to lose Rosberg because he's German.
I literally agree with none of your points 
1. There was a punishment for Rosberg (10 secs + 2 "fault-points"
2. Hamilton imo is not the best driver in the world (for this season I would go with Checo Perez, for overall I´d go with Alonso or Vettel)
3. Hamilton won´t go anywhere, Rosberg won´t stay just for the sake that he´s German
4. Mercedes is clearly not nationality-biased in how they let there riders drive - otherwise they should´ve prevented Hamilton to attack
5. Many other teams have done that, why should Mercedes not do that?
6. You can say it was Rosbergs fault, but then others say it was the other way round 2 times this season and there wasn´t any punishment
For me the whole thing goes splitted ways, Rosberg behaved just like Hamilton in previous races...Hamilton thought Rosberg would again give him a free ride like in some cases last year, but this time he tried to break the habit of pulling back (and failed doing so). So in my opinion this was nothing we´ve not seen unpunished the other way round --> normal racing between HAM & ROS...and don´t you like it like that? For me it was just bad luck for Rosberg losing his prime position like this in a racing incident.
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