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| robert_psv |
Posted on 22-03-2008 10:30
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He didn't suffer, he only had to let go Rebellin and co. in a very hard descent where he was the only one who didn't know the descent, in the rest of climbs, he could stay with them, and last stage he even felt down against a wall in a descent because of Nocentini who felt down in front of him, but he just came back and even tried to attack on the last mountain... But, we'll see how good he is in La Fleche Wallone etc. But I agree, he's on his best when there is a finish on the mountain top, but it's hard to attack on the small climbs when you have got Popovych,Rebellin,Nocentini,Evans,Schleck watching your ass and are all at least 5 years older
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Posted on 22-03-2008 10:31
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but they all end uphill, so chances enough  you can see Fleche Wallonne 07, he came from the 30 something place in the group and finished 9th 
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Posted on 22-03-2008 10:36
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Chrizzz90 wrote:
but they all end uphill, so chances enough you can see Fleche Wallonne 07, he came from the 30 something place in the group and finished 9th
30th? Try 50th! |
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Posted on 22-03-2008 10:40
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50th, Try 70th Let's just keep it as a very nice prestation. He now knows what he's capable of, if you look at last year, Gesink only become better, and he already had fastest climb time last year, and I think, Rebellin with another year older only become worse.. Well worse is not the right therm Less good, but I really think Gesink will win one of the three classics, I think LA Fleche Wallone, but maybe Amstel Gold Race, I dont think he'll win L-B-L, because every good puncheur starts there
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Posted on 22-03-2008 10:45
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robert_psv wrote:
50th, Try 70th Let's just keep it as a very nice prestation. He now knows what he's capable of, if you look at last year, Gesink only become better, and he already had fastest climb time last year, and I think, Rebellin with another year older only become worse.. Well worse is not the right therm Less good, but I really think Gesink will win one of the three classics, I think LA Fleche Wallone, but maybe Amstel Gold Race, I dont think he'll win L-B-L, because every good puncheur starts there
I think he'll be up there in Fleche Wallon. But not the others. The hills in Amstel are too short for him. And even i he makes it to the finishing line, he will be outsprinted. If cadel evans beats you in a sprint, Frank Schleck will do that as well. |
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Posted on 22-03-2008 10:49
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Dont forget Gesink did the last 5km on his own, noone who helped him, only Evans just sat in his wheel, if you do 5km on the Mont Ventoux on your own, I can understand why you can be outsprinted
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| issoisso |
Posted on 22-03-2008 10:58
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fefj wrote:
The hills in Amstel are too short for him.
Yup. he probably won't ever win Amstel, and the same goes for Dekker. the hills are too short and explosive.
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And even i he makes it to the finishing line, he will be outsprinted. If cadel evans beats you in a sprint, Frank Schleck will do that as well.
it's more to do with the fact that Evans is a decent sprinter, while Gesink, like most climbers (like Schleck), isn't.
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Posted on 22-03-2008 11:01
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Gesink is actually a pretty nice sprinter, I've watched last years Classica san Sebastian and he won a sprint with a group from 12 riders or so, but he never really had chance to show his sprint abilities imo..
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| issoisso |
Posted on 22-03-2008 11:03
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robert_psv wrote:
Gesink is actually a pretty nice sprinter
I'm actually pretty certain he's a horrible sprinter.
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last years Classica san Sebastian and he won a sprint
The results for that race list him as coming fourth in his group.
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Posted on 22-03-2008 11:04
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issoisso wrote:
fefj wrote:
And even i he makes it to the finishing line, he will be outsprinted. If cadel evans beats you in a sprint, Frank Schleck will do that as well.
it's more to do with the fact that Evans is a decent sprinter, while Gesink, like most climbers (like Schleck), isn't.
Well, Schleck beat Evans at the WC last year in a sprint. |
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Posted on 22-03-2008 11:06
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Then it was another race, but I'm sure I saw him winning a sprint group, and what's your horrible sprinter conclusion based on then?
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Posted on 22-03-2008 11:08
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fefj wrote:
issoisso wrote:
fefj wrote:
And even i he makes it to the finishing line, he will be outsprinted. If cadel evans beats you in a sprint, Frank Schleck will do that as well.
it's more to do with the fact that Evans is a decent sprinter, while Gesink, like most climbers (like Schleck), isn't.
Well, Schleck beat Evans at the WC last year in a sprint.
well, yeah, but one time isn't an example for a direct comparison (although in this case it's the only one to go by ), basically because anyone can beat anyone in a one-off, and even more so when everyone's form is a question mark. Evans clearly wasn't in top form by then (although he wasn't in bad form), and who knows about Schleck
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Posted on 22-03-2008 11:09
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robert_psv wrote:
Then it was another race, but I'm sure I saw him winning a sprint group, and what's your horrible sprinter conclusion based on then?
the times I've seen him sprint or attack. Like Rasmussen, he's a good climber but lacks explosiveness.
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Posted on 22-03-2008 11:11
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I know, he isn't explosive, that's why I dont see him winning on a stage like the last one in PAris-Nice with half long, not steepy hills, he's best on long climbs, but like last year in Fleche Wallonne, he's also good on hills like Mur de Huy, but not explosively enough, that's his problem
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Posted on 22-03-2008 11:13
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But now that we are at climbing talents, does anybody think Soler will come close to repeating his performances form last season? Personally i don't, but what do i know? |
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Posted on 22-03-2008 11:15
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Nope, I think that's a one-day-show, because he didn't really got chased down very hard by the big men, and he only won it because he was the only serious guy who wanted the KoM after Rasmussen left.
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Posted on 22-03-2008 11:16
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fefj wrote:
But now that we are at climbing talents, does anybody think Soler will come close to repeating his performances form last season? Personally i don't, but what do i know?
honestly? who knows. He had two really good days and 4 not so good ones in the mountains, so his performance wasn't that awesome. it was very good for a first-timer, of course.
It depends on his mindset. If he can focus, he can do even better. If he has motivational issues, he'll be the next Rujano. Well...not as talented as Rujano, but still a disappointment.
We'll know at the Giro. He's riding it, I believe.
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Posted on 22-03-2008 11:17
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Let's hope Gesink wont be the nexdt Rujano
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Posted on 22-03-2008 11:18
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robert_psv wrote:
Let's hope Gesink wont be the nexdt Rujano
he won't, he's in good hands (Erik Dekker)
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Posted on 22-03-2008 11:19
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robert_psv wrote:
Let's hope Gesink wont be the nexdt Rujano
I doubt it. for one he hasn't shown Rujano's awesome promise, but he very well might, as he's quite a bit younger than Rujano was in that 2005 Giro that he could've won if he'd been smart. And I think Gesink has his head set on straight.
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